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The 2023 Offseason Thread

QtR Nevermore said:
Cinci had no one else worth paying when Mixon got his deal, so it didn't hurt them to pay. They'll go a lot cheaper at RB now with Burrow, Chase and Higgins etc.
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Still, isn't a smart career move, when you could've signed him for lower...
whatever, they have Perine to be their new lead back i guess.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Cinci had no one else worth paying when Mixon got his deal, so it didn't hurt them to pay. They'll go a lot cheaper at RB now with Burrow, Chase and Higgins etc.
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it's been rumored since November that Higgins will get traded this offseason. Probably a similar trade that the Titans got for trading AJ Brown
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Mixon has been much more productive (and durable) than Dobbins, and Mixon is still overpaid at $12M a year.

Short of generational-type RBs, which Dobbins isn't it, I'm rarely giving out second contracts to RBs, and I'm pretty much never paying more than like $10M a year for one. They're just not valuable.
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Theyre valuable to us though, atleast they were when greg roman was here.
 
Deebo813 said:
Theyre valuable to us though, atleast they were when greg roman was here.
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I'd argue they're less valuable. The fact that you can plug Gus Edwards in, who was an UDFA, and still run the ball effectively, means that RBs aren't individually important.

You need somebody better than Latavius Murray or LeVeon Bell out there, but you don't need prime Adrian Peterson. If we like Dobbins, just draft another Dobbins every 3-4 years. There's guys like him in every single draft class.

Or you can be like the Cowboys. Heavy usage of your stud RB for the first four years, then extend him, and like two years into the extension you wake up and realize "o fuck, you mean if I give a RB 250-300+ touches every year, after five or six years, he'll hit a glaring obvious decline"? Now I've got a $12M dead money cap hit (minimum) for the second best RB on his own team, AND you want to franchise tag the better one.

Hard pass. Draft somebody on day 2 every 3-4 years, run them into the ground, cut them, rinse repeat.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue they're less valuable. The fact that you can plug Gus Edwards in, who was an UDFA, and still run the ball effectively, means that RBs aren't individually important.

You need somebody better than Latavius Murray or LeVeon Bell out there, but you don't need prime Adrian Peterson. If we like Dobbins, just draft another Dobbins every 3-4 years. There's guys like him in every single draft class.

Or you can be like the Cowboys. Heavy usage of your stud RB for the first four years, then extend him, and like two years into the extension you wake up and realize "o fuck, you mean if I give a RB 250-300+ touches every year, after five or six years, he'll hit a glaring obvious decline"? Now I've got a $12M dead money cap hit (minimum) for the second best RB on his own team, AND you want to franchise tag the better one.

Hard pass. Draft somebody on day 2 every 3-4 years, run them into the ground, cut them, rinse repeat.
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Or you can play our forum mock and June 1st him and get all base salary back without worry of dead money…

… also, there’s only 1 JK
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue they're less valuable. The fact that you can plug Gus Edwards in, who was an UDFA, and still run the ball effectively, means that RBs aren't individually important.

You need somebody better than Latavius Murray or LeVeon Bell out there, but you don't need prime Adrian Peterson. If we like Dobbins, just draft another Dobbins every 3-4 years. There's guys like him in every single draft class.

Or you can be like the Cowboys. Heavy usage of your stud RB for the first four years, then extend him, and like two years into the extension you wake up and realize "o fuck, you mean if I give a RB 250-300+ touches every year, after five or six years, he'll hit a glaring obvious decline"? Now I've got a $12M dead money cap hit (minimum) for the second best RB on his own team, AND you want to franchise tag the better one.

Hard pass. Draft somebody on day 2 every 3-4 years, run them into the ground, cut them, rinse repeat.
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Gus Edwards is a good back. How dare you insult him like that.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue they're less valuable. The fact that you can plug Gus Edwards in, who was an UDFA, and still run the ball effectively, means that RBs aren't individually important.

You need somebody better than Latavius Murray or LeVeon Bell out there, but you don't need prime Adrian Peterson. If we like Dobbins, just draft another Dobbins every 3-4 years. There's guys like him in every single draft class.

Or you can be like the Cowboys. Heavy usage of your stud RB for the first four years, then extend him, and like two years into the extension you wake up and realize "o fuck, you mean if I give a RB 250-300+ touches every year, after five or six years, he'll hit a glaring obvious decline"? Now I've got a $12M dead money cap hit (minimum) for the second best RB on his own team, AND you want to franchise tag the better one.

Hard pass. Draft somebody on day 2 every 3-4 years, run them into the ground, cut them, rinse repeat.
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You cant mention edwards being an udfa but then bring up murry, who was a draft pick and looked terrible in our system. Rbs are valuable or atleast were in our system with roman and thats a fact..
 
Deebo813 said:
You cant mention edwards being an udfa but then bring up murry, who was a draft pick and looked terrible in our system. Rbs are valuable or atleast were in our system with roman and thats a fact..
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I mean Murray wasn't THAT bad. It's just Dobbins and Gus are good backs, and I don't understand why RMC is hating on them like this.
 
Deebo813 said:
You cant mention edwards being an udfa but then bring up murry, who was a draft pick and looked terrible in our system. Rbs are valuable or atleast were in our system with roman and thats a fact..
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Sure I can. Do you think they're the same player or something?
Murray was 31 when he played here, and had over 1,200 career carries in the NFL.
Edwards is 27 (was actually 23 coming out of college, which is quite old for a RB) with about 500 career carries.

One of those things is not like the other.

RBs as a group were valuable. RBs as individual contributors were not. Kenyan Drake is like the league-wide textbook definition of an average NFL RB. He got almost 4.5 YPC in this offense. Does anybody really think you can't find about a dozen Kenyan Drake's in literally any draft class?

Anybody think Dameon Pierce or Tyler Allegeir or even Isiah Pacheco wouldn't be better than Edwards or Drake in last years offense? LOL, good luck with that. All RBs drafted this past year. All in the 4th round or later. I didn't even bother mentioning the Breece Hall's or the Kenneth Walker's of the world.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Sure I can. Do you think they're the same player or something?
Murray was 31 when he played here, and had over 1,200 career carries in the NFL.
Edwards is 27 (was actually 23 coming out of college, which is quite old for a RB) with about 500 career carries.

One of those things is not like the other.

RBs as a group were valuable. RBs as individual contributors were not. Kenyan Drake is like the league-wide textbook definition of an average NFL RB. He got almost 4.5 YPC in this offense. Does anybody really think you can't find about a dozen Kenyan Drake's in literally any draft class?

Anybody think Dameon Pierce or Tyler Allegeir or even Isiah Pacheco wouldn't be better than Edwards or Drake in last years offense? LOL, good luck with that. All RBs drafted this past year. All in the 4th round or later. I didn't even bother mentioning the Breece Hall's or the Kenneth Walker's of the world.
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Im not saying they wouldnt be better lol.. i also never said anything about how rbs in later rounds arent valuable or could possibly be better…. i simply said that our team value rbs… regardless of what rnds theyre picked in, we value rbs in our system. Rbs are or atleast was a big part of our success.
 
Deebo813 said:
Im not saying they wouldnt be better lol.. i also never said anything about how rbs in later rounds arent valuable or could possibly be better…. i simply said that our team value rbs… regardless of what rnds theyre picked in, we value rbs in our system. Rbs are or atleast was a big part of our success.
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The running game is a part of our success. As referenced by the fact that a large chunk of our running game success has come from RBs not having the ball at all.

The point of the discussion is to share the obvious reasons why a) we're probably cutting Edwards, because he's now a very expensive complementary RB and b) why I think people are ridiculously stupid for thinking we should pay $10-12M a year for Dobbins, who will be a FA next year.

I feel extremely confident we could replace one this year and the other next year, to the tune of about $15M a year less. And still have an effective running game.
 
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