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The 2023 Offseason Thread

CB battles notes so far from what I've been reading...

JAD taking advantage of the opportunities. Not perfect by any stretch but putting himself in the conversation.

Ar'Darius Washington is finally healthy and stacking good days.

Pepe is the guy they hope will take the nickel role when he gets back to full speed.

KBK (who is now listed on the roster as just Kyu Kelly FYI) started slow and isn't perfect, but holding his own.

Maulet still ramping up but seems to be insurance if Pepe or ADW don't seize the job.

Worley and Seymour pretty silent but also doubting anyone is focusing on them. Could be your vet PS options.

Whatever is going on with Mullen, seems he'll lose footing the longer he's out.


If you keep 6, it looks like it's Marlon, RYS, Pepe, JAD, KBK, and probably Ar'Darius at this point, but still plenty of room for other guys to make moves.
 
rossihunter2 said:
likely's been in the mix with the 1s - obviously had some work with the 2s too but definitely been in the group working with lamar - clearly been the 2nd TE every time when they go to 12 personnel

absolute nightmare for LBs to cover 1v1 in man - gonna be awful to cover on choice routes in 12 personnel
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I know monken historically has been an 11 personnel guy, but man I hope he shifts to a more TE centric game for this roster
 
Simba said:
CB battles notes so far from what I've been reading...

JAD taking advantage of the opportunities. Not perfect by any stretch but putting himself in the conversation.

Ar'Darius Washington is finally healthy and stacking good days.

Pepe is the guy they hope will take the nickel role when he gets back to full speed.

KBK (who is now listed on the roster as just Kyu Kelly FYI) started slow and isn't perfect, but holding his own.

Maulet still ramping up but seems to be insurance if Pepe or ADW don't seize the job.

Worley and Seymour pretty silent but also doubting anyone is focusing on them. Could be your vet PS options.

Whatever is going on with Mullen, seems he'll lose footing the longer he's out.


If you keep 6, it looks like it's Marlon, RYS, Pepe, JAD, KBK, and probably Ar'Darius at this point, but still plenty of room for other guys to make moves.
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That's simply an uninspiring 6 CBs
 
Simba said:
I get it is on paper, and I don't think they're hung up on it having to be 6 guys out of the crop we currently have, but gotta let these young guys sink or swim at some point. Not everyone comes out of the gate firing on all cylinders.
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Honestly I believe enough in Rock. If JAD is at least serviceable and available as depth behind him than outside is decent enough. If Marlon got hurt and we have Rock and JAD out there with KBK behind we're probably mega fucked.

I have very little faith in Pepe and Maulet. I have some hope for Ardarius.
 
UPennChem said:
That's simply an uninspiring 6 CBs
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It's downright impossible to have great depth across all positions. Every team in the league has a few positions where one injury destroys them. If that's CB for us that's fine as long as the rest play well. Besides, we've gone far with much worse options before.
 
RaineV1 said:
It's downright impossible to have great depth across all positions. Every team in the league has a few positions where one injury destroys them. If that's CB for us that's fine as long as the rest play well. Besides, we've gone far with much worse options before.
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Eh. CB, EDGE, and OL are like the three positions groups you don't want to have decimated by a single injury.
 
UPennChem said:
Honestly I believe enough in Rock. If JAD is at least serviceable and available as depth behind him than outside is decent enough. If Marlon got hurt and we have Rock and JAD out there with KBK behind we're probably mega fucked.

I have very little faith in Pepe and Maulet. I have some hope for Ardarius.
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But I'll ask in the case of really everyone but the vets (Marlo, RYS, Maulet)... why do you not believe in them? Is it largely just fear of the unknown? I'm by no means saying that any of the young guys are going to be great, but we also just don't know because the field action has been limited. It's a scary proposition from an outsider perspective, but there has to be something they like in these young guys to let them get the first opportunity to win jobs.
 
Simba said:
But I'll ask in the case of really everyone but the vets (Marlo, RYS, Maulet)... why do you not believe in them? Is it largely just fear of the unknown? I'm by no means saying that any of the young guys are going to be great, but we also just don't know because the field action has been limited. It's a scary proposition from an outsider perspective, but there has to be something they like in these young guys to let them get the first opportunity to win jobs.
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Oh easy. JAD and Pepe are both very young second year players who because of injuries didn't play much at all as rookies. When they did play they were bad. Especially JAD. KBK is a rookie and a late round pick. One I wasn't really a big fan of in the draft either. Finally Ardarius hasn't even made this team. It's really praying that late round young guys coming off injuries can be adequate depth. That's not confidence instilling
 
UPennChem said:
Oh easy. JAD and Pepe are both very young second year players who because of injuries didn't play much at all as rookies. When they did play they were bad. Especially JAD. KBK is a rookie and a late round pick. One I wasn't really a big fan of in the draft either. Finally Ardarius hasn't even made this team. It's really praying that late round young guys coming off injuries can be adequate depth. That's not confidence instilling
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It also shouldn't be. This is what "we have to put all our resources into upgrading the WR room" looks like. Other position groups could suffer.

Right now, a lot of our Corner and Edge rush chips are all in on young, unproven players performing at a higher level than they have in the past. If it happens, which I hope it does, the sky is the limit. If it doesn't, the offense better be damn good, because they may need to score a lot of points in order to win.

That will also likely continue in the future as well. More emphasis on young, unproven players stepping up in order to succeed. The general thought process, however, is that you're better off forcing that on positions that are typically less valuable in the modern NFL, such as RB, TE, ILB and Safety. Those are typically the position groups where teams with expensive QBs are better off spending less $ on, or better off developing young players at.

Been one of the largest criticisms of the Ravens in the Lamar era. Too much emphasis on getting studs at positions that are valued lower, and not enough emphasis on positions that are valued more.
 
UPennChem said:
Oh easy. JAD and Pepe are both very young second year players who because of injuries didn't play much at all as rookies. When they did play they were bad. Especially JAD. KBK is a rookie and a late round pick. One I wasn't really a big fan of in the draft either. Finally Ardarius hasn't even made this team. It's really praying that late round young guys coming off injuries can be adequate depth. That's not confidence instilling
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And I get that. I guess my point is that you can't just continually bury these guys down the depth chart year after year because then you'll never really know what you have in them. On paper, it may not look good now. But maybe one of these guys surprises and plays well. And maybe they don't with this opportunity and then you still have chances to add someone better if needed.

TLDR - don't think there's enough evidence at this point to say all of these guys aren't going to cut it. No guarantee that they will, but no guarantee that they won't either.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
It also shouldn't be. This is what "we have to put all our resources into upgrading the WR room" looks like. Other position groups could suffer.

Right now, a lot of our Corner and Edge rush chips are all in on young, unproven players performing at a higher level than they have in the past. If it happens, which I hope it does, the sky is the limit. If it doesn't, the offense better be damn good, because they may need to score a lot of points in order to win.

That will also likely continue in the future as well. More emphasis on young, unproven players stepping up in order to succeed. The general thought process, however, is that you're better off forcing that on positions that are typically less valuable in the modern NFL, such as RB, TE, ILB and Safety. Those are typically the position groups where teams with expensive QBs are better off spending less $ on, or better off developing young players at.

Been one of the largest criticisms of the Ravens in the Lamar era. Too much emphasis on getting studs at positions that are valued lower, and not enough emphasis on positions that are valued more.
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I agree with you. I've been complaining about the positional allocation of money for Decosta's whole tenure. In this specific year and case, I get it a little bit more with our OLBs. These are very high round picks we're talking about. At CB, the cupboard is empty.
 
Simba said:
And I get that. I guess my point is that you can't just continually bury these guys down the depth chart year after year because then you'll never really know what you have in them. On paper, it may not look good now. But maybe one of these guys surprises and plays well. And maybe they don't with this opportunity and then you still have chances to add someone better if needed.

TLDR - don't think there's enough evidence at this point to say all of these guys aren't going to cut it. No guarantee that they will, but no guarantee that they won't either.
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For sure. I am certainly not guaranteeing anything. I hope JAD is a 1st round guy that we got in the 4th because of injuries only. Will root for him. I am just saying at this point in time, there's not a lot of reason for confidence. I am assuming this year's trade deadline will be for a CB.
 
UPennChem said:
I agree with you. I've been complaining about the positional allocation of money for Decosta's whole tenure. In this specific year and case, I get it a little bit more with our OLBs. These are very high round picks we're talking about. At CB, the cupboard is empty.
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I wouldn't say its empty. They've made investments. Depending on how they view Hamilton, they've got a starting group that is competitive in the league. They're just lacking proven depth. There's just a lot of mid-round picks that are the depth.

It's just easily the weakest CB room we've had in probably five years. I suspect the secondaries primary focus is going to be a lot more zone and Cover 2-3 looks, and just avoiding giving up big plays, which was a problem last year. Theoretically, with the Safety group we have, that shouldn't be a problem.
 


Wonder if Forbes was there, would we went for flowers still. I know edc really liked Forbes
 
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