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JoeyFlex5 said:
But bud Dupree didn’t just make an extremely skilled play...

He literally blew his assignment, as he has been one to do throughout his entire career, like he’s been a complete liability when doing anything but pass rushing. You’re comparing bud Dupree in coverage to steph curry shooting 3s and Kobe. You have to realize how ridiculous you sound. Football is a flukey sport by nature, you are the only person who thinks there is no flukey nature to football.
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fluke and luck arent the same! i compared the two to show that people were calling the warriors three pointers luck till they realized them boys really work hard and are skilled players. Same goes for kobe. Idk how people call tipped passes or tipped ints luck.. makes no sense. It wasnt an extremely skilled play but not just anyone can make it
 
Deebo813 said:
fluke and luck arent the same! i compared the two to show that people were calling the warriors three pointers luck till they realized them boys really work hard and are skilled players. Same goes for kobe. Idk how people call tipped passes or tipped ints luck.. makes no sense. It wasnt an extremely skilled play but not just anyone can make it
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Per the dictionary

Fluke: unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.

Welp
 
DeVito52 said:
First of all, fuck all of you who said Fitz was throwing easy INTs right to the Steelers, one was tipped, one was under heavy pressure and he wasn’t able to throw it how he wanted, and Mike Evans literally said he ran the wrong route on the other INT.

He had like half a second to throw the whole game, that was ridiculous and if the Steelers blitz with that success against us we will lose. Their LBs aren’t good in coverage but they’re very good blitzers. Our Oline has to show up or the Steelers might run away with it.
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did you not watch most of the first half?
fitz underthrew so many passes
the first pick was not on him but the next 2 were most definitely

and he certainly had time to throw early in the game until the steelers got a lead and didnt have to worry about the run at all
 
DeVito52 said:
I agree that luck is real in football but to say a “huge amount” of INTs are all luck is ridiculous. Duprees was pretty lucky but there aren’t many like that. If Dupree was in the right spot and Fitz threw a bad pass that wouldn’t be luck, just an unforced error. Tipped passes resulting in INTs etc aren’t luck. But to say there’s no luck at all is silly
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the tipped pass itself isnt lucky - that's a purposeful skill from the lineman - but if you go to tip the ball you have no idea where the ball is going to go after the tip... the PD isnt lucky but the ball going to a defender is very much down to a little bit of luck
 
rossihunter2 said:
a huge amount of INTs are luck-based - im not saying every INT individually is fully luck but the end of year numbers for a defence will naturally fluctuate because of how much luck is involved in the process of so many INTs
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Let’s call it good fortune often formed by other players actions, rather than luck. Like when a pass get’s tipped at the LOS and just happens to fall to a LB. Or when a receiver bumbles a catch and it ends up in a DBs hands. Or a receiver dead runs the wrong route and it appears that the QB throws the ball directly to a defender.

I will say though that when you talk about picks by guys like Ed Reed and Rod Woodson skill and football intelligence accounted for the majority of those plays. They were a cut above.
 
Tank said:
Let’s call it good fortune often formed by other players actions, rather than luck. Like when a pass get’s tipped at the LOS and just happens to fall to a LB. Or when a receiver bumbles a catch and it ends up in a DBs hands. Or a receiver dead runs the wrong route and it appears that the QB throws the ball directly to a defender.

I will say though that when you talk about picks by guys like Ed Reed and Rod Woodson skill and football intelligence accounted for the majority of those plays. They were a cut above.
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im not saying all picks are lucky picks

im saying that the reason there is a general variance year to year for teams in turnover differential is that a statistically significant percentage of turnovers (or non-turnovers) are down to luck which naturally makes the number fluctuate upwards or downwards year on year

like those picks where the ball looks like it bounced but hit a foot and bounced up for example...
or a pick when a ball bounces up off a helmet
 
rossihunter2 said:
did you not watch most of the first half?
fitz underthrew so many passes
the first pick was not on him but the next 2 were most definitely

and he certainly had time to throw early in the game until the steelers got a lead and didnt have to worry about the run at all
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Considering Mike Evans himself said he ran the wrong route I don’t think the the next 2 were “most definitely” on him.
 
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rossihunter2 said:
the tipped pass itself isnt lucky - that's a purposeful skill from the lineman - but if you go to tip the ball you have no idea where the ball is going to go after the tip... the PD isnt lucky but the ball going to a defender is very much down to a little bit of luck
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It’s not down to luck. Like the tipped pass yesterday. It went in the middle of the field where any player could get it, the Bucs RB just didn’t see it and everyone on the Bucs defense did.
 
rossihunter2 said:
im not saying all picks are lucky picks

im saying that the reason there is a general variance year to year for teams in turnover differential is that a statistically significant percentage of turnovers (or non-turnovers) are down to luck which naturally makes the number fluctuate upwards or downwards year on year

like those picks where the ball looks like it bounced but hit a foot and bounced up for example...
or a pick when a ball bounces up off a helmet
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Yeah because soooo many picks occur off of helmet and shoe bounces. like 10% of picks are luck is what you’re saying.

I understand what you’re saying but luck plays a small part, not too substantial.
 
So i've been looking at pro football reference and guess who has the longest injury list.

Of course..your baltimore ravens.
 
rossihunter2 said:
im not saying all picks are lucky picks

im saying that the reason there is a general variance year to year for teams in turnover differential is that a statistically significant percentage of turnovers (or non-turnovers) are down to luck which naturally makes the number fluctuate upwards or downwards year on year

like those picks where the ball looks like it bounced but hit a foot and bounced up for example...
or a pick when a ball bounces up off a helmet
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Yeah totally agree. But the numbers were pretty consistent when 20 was roaming the backfield. There’s no one around right now like him or Woodson.
 
Tank said:
Yeah totally agree. But the numbers were pretty consistent when 20 was roaming the backfield. There’s no one around right now like him or Woodson.
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Marcus Peters is right up there IMO and he could easily play FS.
 
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