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Free Agency 2019
- Thread starter JoeyFlex5
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This potential signing has nothing to do with BWill as they play VERY different roles. BWill's job is to prevent the run so that the best secondary in football can win the game. McCoy isn't going to be involved in that.
The best secondary is meaningless though if they can just ram it down your throat which makes me wonder how sure it is that BWill is gone. Its not like they save a ton cutting him (4.5m I believe) so unless they think they have someone better I don't know why you would.
The best secondary is meaningless though if they can just ram it down your throat which makes me wonder how sure it is that BWill is gone. Its not like they save a ton cutting him (4.5m I believe) so unless they think they have someone better I don't know why you would.
Sami84
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One thing i just realized
chris jones ( who i wanted us to draft in 2016 in the 2nd round) is a free agent. Just something for us all to think about
having said that if we don't fucking fix our interior O line FOR REAL at some point im going to go insane. im tired of the MEH at LG and C
chris jones ( who i wanted us to draft in 2016 in the 2nd round) is a free agent. Just something for us all to think about
having said that if we don't fucking fix our interior O line FOR REAL at some point im going to go insane. im tired of the MEH at LG and C
RL52TheGreatest
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Pierce is basically just like BWill except that he can also rush the passer a bit. If we can keep Pierce then I think BWill is gone because then we'll have Pierce and Mack (who has a ton of potential) as replacements.
JoeyFlex5
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I too wanted Chris Jones and had him as a first rounder
Tank
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RR was not himself from Day 1. He had bulked up, slowed down and didn’t look anything like the player he was. Many times he would just go down before contact, it was painful to watch.
Dom McRaven
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Keep in mind that Smitty had beef with the FO (particularly Gettleman) so he waned revenge on them. We kicked the ever loving shit out of them that year too.
JO_75
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Torrey Smith has agreed to a $2M pay cut creating $2M in cap space for the Panthers, one day before meeting with Gerald McCoy.
If he doesn't sign with us, at least he would choose a team not named the Browns and a team where we don't have to face him ever again likely in his career.
If he doesn't sign with us, at least he would choose a team not named the Browns and a team where we don't have to face him ever again likely in his career.
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Ellicottraven
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You've got a crappy feeling? Really that's new!
allblackraven
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You say that like there's nothing easier in the world to do...
Oldfaithful
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I brought it up on twitter, but Jesus that Boyle contract hurts. I know $6 million doesn't look like a lot... but when you factor in that most of these teams with crazy amounts of cap space have done so via rollover cap. That's suddenly $6 million for let's face it... A replacement level player.
I know Boyle is a damn good blocking TE, possibly the best in the league, but he's not the best by a country mile by any means, and blocking TEs are a dime a dozen so that's not a valid argument by any stretch of the imagination. Hell Maxx Williams, who is also a very good blocking TE(and arguably just as versatile) got paid for pennies on the dollar.
It's contracts like these that contribute to cap hell more than almost anything. Other things like resetting the market for Brandon Williams(for those reading and keeping score, score one for me... again) which was DUMBER with hindsight because of how good Pierce has turned out to be(hint: better than Williams ever was). The third round comp pick we would've gotten for him seems real nice now. Or how we pay James Hurst damn near starting RT money to royally shit the bed. Or how we paid Ladarius Webb craploads despite a clearly serious second ACL injury.
So if we lose out on McCoy because of money.. Thank Eric. That $6 million would've looked really good to have for McCoy.
I know Boyle is a damn good blocking TE, possibly the best in the league, but he's not the best by a country mile by any means, and blocking TEs are a dime a dozen so that's not a valid argument by any stretch of the imagination. Hell Maxx Williams, who is also a very good blocking TE(and arguably just as versatile) got paid for pennies on the dollar.
It's contracts like these that contribute to cap hell more than almost anything. Other things like resetting the market for Brandon Williams(for those reading and keeping score, score one for me... again) which was DUMBER with hindsight because of how good Pierce has turned out to be(hint: better than Williams ever was). The third round comp pick we would've gotten for him seems real nice now. Or how we pay James Hurst damn near starting RT money to royally shit the bed. Or how we paid Ladarius Webb craploads despite a clearly serious second ACL injury.
So if we lose out on McCoy because of money.. Thank Eric. That $6 million would've looked really good to have for McCoy.
Oldfaithful
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....
There is so much wrong with the above statement if you even begin to think about it logically. Williams isn't even the best nose tackle on the roster, and we even blatantly drafted his replacement this year... one who is kind of ready to go as a run defender if Williams were to leave. If anyone on the roster is expendable... It's him. He won't be cut due to dead money purposes... nothing more. There isn't a doubt in my mind that if he had any trade value, he'd already be gone. Second, McCoy despite having a "down season"(a down season for his standards, still a better pass rusher in general than anyone on the roster), is also a good run defender and he WOULD be involved in that. So you're wrong again. PFF and the tape seem to back me up on that. He's easily an upgrade over the overrated and average Chris Wormley. So by that logic alone he's going to be involved with that.... and if you're saying the run defense suffers if we sacrifice Williams for McCoy, your statement was just disproven. If there's anything I actually have faith in our front seven for, it's for their abilities to stop the run, and Pierce was a better player, pro bowl be damned.
And going back to your point from about a week ago that secondaries are the future focal points of defense, which is just a ludicrous notion. The elite secondaries on these defenses are noticeable.. But notice how those defenses have also had dominant trenches. They have a mutually beneficial relationship sure, but at the end of the day the dominat front 7 is more important. Look again at those teams. Seahawks, Broncos, Jaguars. They have fantastic secondaries yes, but those front 7s are every bit as dominant. Players like Bennet, Avril, Wagner, KJ Wright, Demarcus Ware, Von Miller, Malik Jackson(on two of these defenses), Derek Wolfe, Calais Campbell, Yannick Ngakoue, Marcel Dareus, Telvin Smith, Myles Jack, need I go on. Without those front sevens stuffing the run AND bringing the heat, it doesn't matter about the secondary. Further, with today's rules and how limited corners can be, having a dominant front is still far more important than anything.
Bwill likely isn't gone, but even Steve Biscotti believes what we all know: McCoy is a game wrecker. Does he single-handedly push us over the top like @JoeyFlex5 claims? No. This team has a lot of problems and McCoy doesn't solve them all. Young talent will still be the end all be all. But to say that McCoy isn't going to be involved in certain parts of the game would be just downright foolish.
Posts like this is why I've criticized you in the past for coming across as a know it all.. Because stuff like this makes you seem like one.
RaineV1
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Blocking TEs aren't a dime a dozen. Colleges don't use TEs nearly as much as they used to and many of them coming out of college are nothing but big slot WRs. Genuinely good blocking TEs are a dying breed.
Oldfaithful
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Most of the HIGH END tight ends nowadays are big move TEs. Many of the TEs in the later rounds are solid blockers and nothing more who need a bit of coaching up. Many of which were taken in this draft alone. So I don't buy that argument. There's still enough coming out that will go UDFA or later that are very good blockers. Dying breed? Hardly, but I'd buy it if they're going down in quantity. But even then there's a surplus of good blocking TEs right now on the FA market, and that's just a fact.
If Nick Boyle were to go out for the season tomorrow we could find a blocking TE damn near instantly who would be servicable or good. Maybe not on the same level but $6 million is not worth it for a player like Boyle given those circumstances.
cdp
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thanks! Boyle is basically a OL who can catch, but you can't really use him as a receiver, he's slow as molasses and we all know how Boyle did in the red zone when Flacco targeted him.
Brandon Williams contract was bad when we re-signed him, but those 2 restructures made it an incredibliy bad contract. He's a good run stopper ok. However he's a below average pass rusher and only plays ~50% of all snaps. Can't wait until we get this contract off the books.
Sorry but its 100% not eric fault. Lose out on mccoy and youre gonna blame him cause of one contract? 6million?. Who was resoonsible for the bwill and jeffro contract? Why they arent to blame?
Nah I like Boyle...always have. Hes a beast and i always said if he was on a different team like KC or Pitt he'd be a well known TE in the league. Even with his suspensions he'd still have solid numbers. EDC knows this that's why he resigned him. But yes we do have a log jam at TE if Hurst becomes the player we believed he was. Now if one of them loses playing time we wont miss a beat. Offense over defense at this point and time.
