The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[Dom McRaven]

It does my heart good to see everyone in North Carolina coming together to help each other. No one is caring who are Democrats or Republicans. No one cares what color they are, just people helping people. Men are coming there and saying, I just want to help people. Seeing this makes my heart so happy. God bless America!!!!

You know what's unfortunate? The fact that it takes a tragedy for both parties to stop bickering.

 

[cobrajet]

I agree, we are so much better off as a county when we all work together and help each other out without taking sides. People helping people would encourage others to pay it forward. I love seeing random acts of kindness.

 

[Willbacker]

Fox news 90% of coverage has been about the floodings that have happened down in the Carolinas and only break in now and then with political coveravge. I have also periodically checked in on MSNBC and CNN and they've been doing the same in the samples I've watched

 

[Tank]

You know what's unfortunate? The fact that it takes a tragedy for both parties to stop bickering.

It is unfortunate. Everyone, and not just politicians, should take a step back and realize what’s truly important in life.

 

[gtalk12]

The issue is that people have split the country into 2 parts and if anything you say or do somewhat aligns with one side then you will be immediately labeled that and the appropriate parties will both attack and align with you.

What ever happened to just disagreeing with someone without hating and name calling? The whole purpose was to start a dialogue about things that are issues to CERTAIN people. Is America saying we only want to deal with issues when its the majority? Is that really American? Ignoring our own neighbors when they have an issues? Everyone should be educated on American issues, not just issues that effect you.

That is what America has taught me my civic duty to the country meant, at least to me.

 

[Willbacker]

The issue is that people have split the country into 2 parts and if anything you say or do somewhat aligns with one side then you will be immediately labeled that and the appropriate parties will both attack and align with you.

What ever happened to just disagreeing with someone without hating and name calling? The whole purpose was to start a dialogue about things that are issues to CERTAIN people. Is America saying we only want to deal with issues when its the majority? Is that really American? Ignoring our own neighbors when they have an issues? Everyone should be educated on American issues, not just issues that effect you.

That is what America has taught me my civic duty to the country meant, at least to me.

On American issues with two different parties you're more than likely gonna disagree. The tough thing is to try to meet in the middle and reach a compromise. To me and this my opinion the repubs have basically stayed the same (I'm sure I'll hear some sqwacking) wanting a smaller federal govt, less taxes and the 10th amendment which has for decades has been their motto while the left has veered strongly offcourse with globalization, open borders and socialism. That's a big gap in diffrences.

While the issues are important its the American VALUE that we need to regrasp.

 

[gtalk12]

On American issues with two different parties you're more than likely gonna disagree. The tough thing is to try to meet in the middle and reach a compromise. To me and this my opinion the repubs have basically stayed the same (I'm sure I'll hear some sqwacking) wanting a smaller federal govt, less taxes and the 10th amendment which has for decades has been their motto while the left has veered strongly offcourse with globalization, open borders and socialism. That's a big gap in diffrences.

While the issues are important its the American VALUE that we need to regrasp.

I agree with you, but as it pertains to the protests, I know plenty of black conservatives that support the movement. Some with EXTENSIVE military backgrounds. Is it not then an issue for Americans?

I hate that it gets high jacked by either side.

 

[Willbacker]

I agree with you, but as it pertains to the protests, I know plenty of black conservatives that support the movement. Some with EXTENSIVE military backgrounds. Is it not then an issue for Americans?

I hate that it gets high jacked by either side.

As it pertains to police brutality there's a lot of ways to look at it. First off how many cops lose their life getting shot by a black man? How many times has a black man been shot by a minority cop? How many white or other race has been brutalized by a cop? I understand its an issue {racial profiling} and there's some bad apples but look at it out of the eye of the police too. Look how many things been wrong especially the Ferguson issue and then look at how many cops do go to trial. Let the justice system do its job and it doesn't hurt to keep awareness going but it really should be done another way since kneeling is not action. I also know plenty of veterans and some are not watching (one owns a rock club that I know of) but yes there's plenty of veterans regardless of party that support the movement but that's mainly cuz they believe they have fought for your right to do so.

 

[gtalk12]

As it pertains to police brutality there's a lot of ways to look at it. First off how many cops lose their life getting shot by a black man? How many times has a black man been shot by a minority cop? How many white or other race has been brutalized by a cop? I understand its an issue {racial profiling} and there's some bad apples but look at it out of the eye of the police too. Look how many things been wrong especially the Ferguson issue and then look at how many cops do go to trial. Let the justice system do its job and it doesn't hurt to keep awareness going but it really should be done another way since kneeling is not action. I also know plenty of veterans and some are not watching (one owns a rock club that I know of) but yes there's plenty of veterans regardless of party that support the movement but that's mainly cuz they believe they have fought for your right to do so.

That last part is important, I do not like how many are stressing the disrespect narrative when so far most of the veterans agree that it is a right etc etc.

As small or large that this police issue could be the biggest worry in our communities comes from the lack of investigation when a group of people is telling you that they are being targeting. For me, this issue affects everyone of all races BECAUSE there have been times that Police officers have taken things too far. They are the ones who know all the rules, what to say and when, and the consequences or lack thereof that comes with those things.

Some of these officers get brought up on bullshit charges. That is the shit that fucks with me.

 

[rossihunter2]

As it pertains to police brutality there's a lot of ways to look at it. First off how many cops lose their life getting shot by a black man? How many times has a black man been shot by a minority cop? How many white or other race has been brutalized by a cop? I understand its an issue {racial profiling} and there's some bad apples but look at it out of the eye of the police too. Look how many things been wrong especially the Ferguson issue and then look at how many cops do go to trial. Let the justice system do its job and it doesn't hurt to keep awareness going but it really should be done another way since kneeling is not action. I also know plenty of veterans and some are not watching (one owns a rock club that I know of) but yes there's plenty of veterans regardless of party that support the movement but that's mainly cuz they believe they have fought for your right to do so.

stop "what abouting" - the issue they are protesting cannot be ignored simply because other people die too in different situations
how do you fix the underlying issues that lead to situations that make black people disproportionately affected by police violence and racial profiling - how do you fix the trust in non-white communities with the police force because getting pulled over by the police feels like a matter of life and death because it so quickly can become one

think of it like this:
if there was a fire in a house on a street the fire brigade arent going to come and dump water on all the houses because "all houses matter", they're gonna put the water on the house that needs it most

and so much of it is about a lack of trust because the justice system hasnt been doing its job properly

for example botham jean's death in Dallas - why was the police officer allowed to be free for so long after killing this man? why was his house searched as if he was a criminal when she was the one who trespassed and why was the fact that marijuana was found in his flat publicised as if it had any relevance at all? add into this the fact that there are demonstrable facts that put into question the police officer's account and suddenly this starts to feel a little like an organised smear campaign... and even if it isnt you can see why the family and community might feel that way

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with regards to veterans if you feel like anecdotally there are veterans that do not support the idea that these players should be able to protest then that's fine but do not paint every other veteran who has demonstrably shown support for the movement with the same brush - yes there will be some who support the movement because they fought for citizens' right to do so (which doesnt invalidate the argument anyway) but there are also many who demonstrably support the movement because they believe it to be good and righteous

 

[gtalk12]

stop "what abouting" - the issue they are protesting cannot be ignored simply because other people die too in different situations
how do you fix the underlying issues that lead to situations that make black people disproportionately affected by police violence and racial profiling - how do you fix the trust in non-white communities with the police force because getting pulled over by the police feels like a matter of life and death because it so quickly can become one

think of it like this:
if there was a fire in a house on a street the fire brigade arent going to come and dump water on all the houses because "all houses matter", they're gonna put the water on the house that needs it most

and so much of it is about a lack of trust because the justice system hasnt been doing its job properly

for example botham jean's death in Dallas - why was the police officer allowed to be free for so long after killing this man? why was his house searched as if he was a criminal when she was the one who trespassed and why was the fact that marijuana was found in his flat publicised as if it had any relevance at all? add into this the fact that there are demonstrable facts that put into question the police officer's account and suddenly this starts to feel a little like an organised smear campaign... and even if it isnt you can see why the family and community might feel that way

______________________
with regards to veterans if you feel like anecdotally there are veterans that do not support the idea that these players should be able to protest then that's fine but do not paint every other veteran who has demonstrably shown support for the movement with the same brush - yes there will be some who support the movement because they fought for citizens' right to do so (which doesnt invalidate the argument anyway) but there are also many who demonstrably support the movement because they believe it to be good and righteous

exactly

 

[29BmoreBird22]

it doesn't hurt to keep awareness going but it really should be done another way since kneeling is not action.

Most of these NFL players do quite a bit in the community in their free time, but I digress.

They have kept the conversation going for THREE years now simply by kneeling. These players that kneel and put their jobs on the line (how Eric Reid still doesn't have a job is beyond me... oh wait, no it's not) simply to generate a conversation, which they have done for a very long time. This was exactly what they wanted and they've succeeded.

 

[Willbacker]

That last part is important, I do not like how many are stressing the disrespect narrative when so far most of the veterans agree that it is a right etc etc.

As small or large that this police issue could be the biggest worry in our communities comes from the lack of investigation when a group of people is telling you that they are being targeting. For me, this issue affects everyone of all races BECAUSE there have been times that Police officers have taken things too far. They are the ones who know all the rules, what to say and when, and the consequences or lack thereof that comes with those things.

Some of these officers get brought up on bullshit charges. That is the shit that fucks with me.

Ok. So in other words the veterans that are upset about the kneeling should just be disregarded. Pretty much everybody agrees its a right but who cares if people are upset about it. What BS charges are you talking about?

 

[rossihunter2]

Ok. So in other words the veterans that are upset about the kneeling should just be disregarded. Pretty much everybody agrees its a right but who cares if people are upset about it. What BS charges are you talking about?

no one has said that their view is illegitimate - just that when it is painted as the only view of veterans as a group that it is clearly false...

 

[Willbacker]

stop "what abouting" - the issue they are protesting cannot be ignored simply because other people die too in different situations
how do you fix the underlying issues that lead to situations that make black people disproportionately affected by police violence and racial profiling - how do you fix the trust in non-white communities with the police force because getting pulled over by the police feels like a matter of life and death because it so quickly can become one

think of it like this:
if there was a fire in a house on a street the fire brigade arent going to come and dump water on all the houses because "all houses matter", they're gonna put the water on the house that needs it most

and so much of it is about a lack of trust because the justice system hasnt been doing its job properly

for example botham jean's death in Dallas - why was the police officer allowed to be free for so long after killing this man? why was his house searched as if he was a criminal when she was the one who trespassed and why was the fact that marijuana was found in his flat publicised as if it had any relevance at all? add into this the fact that there are demonstrable facts that put into question the police officer's account and su.

Whoops accidental post. I was in process of reading lol.

 

[Willbacker]

stop "what abouting" - the issue they are protesting cannot be ignored simply because other people die too in different situations
how do you fix the underlying issues that lead to situations that make black people disproportionately affected by police violence and racial profiling - how do you fix the trust in non-white communities with the police force because getting pulled over by the police feels like a matter of life and death because it so quickly can become one

think of it like this:
if there was a fire in a house on a street the fire brigade arent going to come and dump water on all the houses because "all houses matter", they're gonna put the water on the house that needs it most

and so much of it is about a lack of trust because the justice system hasnt been doing its job properly

for example botham jean's death in Dallas - why was the police officer allowed to be free for so long after killing this man? why was his house searched as if he was a criminal when she was the one who trespassed and why was the fact that marijuana was found in his flat publicised as if it had any relevance at all? add into this the fact that there are demonstrable facts that put into question the police officer's account and suddenly this starts to feel a little like an organised smear campaign... and even if it isnt you can see why the family and community might feel that way

______________________
with regards to veterans if you feel like anecdotally there are veterans that do not support the idea that these players should be able to protest then that's fine but do not paint every other veteran who has demonstrably shown support for the movement with the same brush - yes there will be some who support the movement because they fought for citizens' right to do so (which doesnt invalidate the argument anyway) but there are also many who demonstrably support the movement because they believe it to be good and righteous

I personally didn't hear about the story until the cop was arrested. When it comes to the talk of marijuana and searches that didn't come from anything I read so that come from your sources. You do realize that was a crime scene? Also nobody look at it thru the polices eyes. We're not talking about very good neighborhoods where in this country black on black crime is by far the highest rate and these are dangerous areas we talking about.. Cops lives are in danger and sometimes like you said its a split second decision. Its not only blacks that get profiled ok. Hispanics get profiled. Maybe the way somebody dresses. I had tough times with the law cuz I had long hair and was judged. Thing is there is profiling but don't get some kind of cock attitude to retaliate. How about listening. Keeping your hands clear. Don't run. How bout instead of just looking at one side step into the polices shoes.

 

[Willbacker]

no one has said that their view is illegitimate - just that when it is painted as the only view of veterans as a group that it is clearly false...

Its not being painted as the only view. Well maybe the way its being painted by the media...…….

 

[rossihunter2]

I personally didn't hear about the story until the cop was arrested. When it comes to the talk of marijuana and searches that didn't come from anything I read so that come from your sources. You do realize that was a crime scene? Also nobody look at it thru the polices eyes. We're not talking about very good neighborhoods where in this country black on black crime is by far the highest rate and these are dangerous areas we talking about.. Cops lives are in danger and sometimes like you said its a split second decision. Its not only blacks that get profiled ok. Hispanics get profiled. Maybe the way somebody dresses. I had tough times with the law cuz I had long hair and was judged. Thing is there is profiling but don't get some kind of cock attitude to retaliate. How about listening? Keeping your hands clear? Don't run? How bout instead of just looking at one side step into the polices shoes.

this wasnt a threatening situation though - it was entirely the officer's fault - she basically broke into someone else's apartment and shot the resident who was either at the other side of the room or was opening the door that the officer was shouting at

either way its incredibly unlikely that the officer should have felt legitimately threatened in that situation

what's most disappointing about this situation is that the cop was off-duty

and in terms of the search - it was not searched like a crime scene in that sense - they had to get a specific warrant to search the apartment for seemingly no apparent reason - certainly publicly releasing what they found as if it is in some way incriminating is definitely suspect on the behalf of the authorities involved

 

[JO_75]

Have to say, regardless of how you feel about the kneeling, how Colin turned down a trade to the Broncos following their Super Bowl run or whether he is or is not a good of a QB he is. You can say his collusion case got a big assist from the Seahawks who cancelled a workout with Colin meanwhile months later signed Mychal Kendricks who is facing jail time for a FEDERAL OFFENSE and not only that but STARTED him against the Bears on Monday Night Football.

If the league is fine with a player who committed a federal offense playing then there is some major hypocrisy there.

 

[Militant X 1]

I personally didn't hear about the story until the cop was arrested. When it comes to the talk of marijuana and searches that didn't come from anything I read so that come from your sources. You do realize that was a crime scene? Also nobody look at it thru the polices eyes. We're not talking about very good neighborhoods where in this country black on black crime is by far the highest rate and these are dangerous areas we talking about.. Cops lives are in danger and sometimes like you said its a split second decision. Its not only blacks that get profiled ok. Hispanics get profiled. Maybe the way somebody dresses. I had tough times with the law cuz I had long hair and was judged. Thing is there is profiling but don't get some kind of cock attitude to retaliate. How about listening. Keeping your hands clear. Don't run. How bout instead of just looking at one side step into the polices shoes.

Sure, there may be "other" people groups that are profiled but let's keep it real! This country's "major" issue unfortunately, is and has always been between blacks and whites due to the Peculiar Institution known as Slavery! We blacks are and have been constantly fighting against systemic social problems in this nation that have been designed to marginalize and to keep us subjugated since the days of slavery (i.e. Segregation, Jim Crow and the Black Codes, The One Drop Rule, The Birth of a Nation film etc.). And then non-blacks wonder why certain segments of my people group have such a distrust for law enforcement? Really? Now, I'm not condoning bad behavior by no means. I believe in obeying the law. My dad is a retired Chief of Police. My family (a military, black family) obeys the laws of this land but we are far from being blinded to, ignorant or avoidant of the social injustices that our people face on a daily basis in this nation.

What kills me is the hypocrisy in this nation when it comes to the issues of race. Non-blacks in this nation praise the remembrance of the Jewish Holocaust...and rightfully so. Over 6 millions Jews were stripped of their birthright and properties and then marked for death. Horrendous event! There's documentary after documentary after documentary on the topic. But, when it comes to the Black Holocaust (i.e. The Middle Passage) and the millions of Africans (Blacks) murdered, brutalized, raped, burned, lynched and hung, castrated, families ripped apart and sold during slavery and even after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed etc., we're told to; "Just forget about it! Let it go! It happend so long ago!" So, why praise the remembrance of a Holocaust that happened overseas in Germany but not the one that happened in your own backyard in the "good ole' U.S.A?

Things are better but we still have major racial issues between black and white in our nation that have not been dealt with! Kap kneeling brought an awareness to the systemic issue of white officers not only killing "unarmed" blacks but then getting away with it! When a black man can get shot and killed in his own home by an off duty officer who is identified days after the event and then have his character assinated to protect that white officer, it's quite clear that the system is broken and rigged against black people in general and more than other "profiled" people groups.