• Welcome to PurpleFlock! Be sure to sign up here so that you can chat with your fellow Ravens fans.

The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

52520Andrew

Pro Bowler
With all due respect, not talking about politics and people staying in their own little information bubble is at least partly to blame for why politics has gotten the way it is. It may not be fun to talk about it and can lead to some arguments but it exposes everyone to other points of view. Things only get worse if people just ignore the other side and let their opinions fester.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
With all due respect, not talking about politics and people staying in their own little information bubble is at least partly to blame for why politics has gotten the way it is. It may not be fun to talk about it and can lead to some arguments but it exposes everyone to other points of view. Things only get worse if people just ignore the other side and let their opinions fester.
I'll be working for the US Senate starting in January. I'm a political science major. I discuss politics basically 95% of the time I'm not on here.

I'm of the agreement that not talking about it is a reason, but disagreement is a good thing. If it's done civilly. Disagreement leads to compromise, which leads to progress. A lot of us don't want to talk to certain people... Because we know it's going to go nowhere. In the case of you, I know you're reasonable and not going to do what someone did earlier today and call me a "Fascist [profanity deleted]" even though I'm as moderate as can be. Some of us do try to have discussions. The problem is now the stigma that "disagreement is bad, my way or the highway". There are some "issues" that are non-issues. This Kaepernick thing is only significant because people are complaining about something that doesn't even affect them. It's not political. I disagree with kneeling coming from a long standing military family and they're Not happy with it. I'm still watching the NFL and I think it's dumb to penalize players for kneeling too. But I really don't care. This is a non issue if you want the truth.

There's a big reason I don't like this thread. There is a place for talking politics. In a sports community isn't one in my humble opinion. I'm keeping it open because you all keep posting.
 

gtalk12

Ravens Ring of Honor
I'll be working for the US Senate starting in January. I'm a political science major. I discuss politics basically 95% of the time I'm not on here.

I'm of the agreement that not talking about it is a reason, but disagreement is a good thing. If it's done civilly. Disagreement leads to compromise, which leads to progress. A lot of us don't want to talk to certain people... Because we know it's going to go nowhere. In the case of you, I know you're reasonable and not going to do what someone did earlier today and call me a "Fascist [profanity deleted]" even though I'm as moderate as can be. Some of us do try to have discussions. The problem is now the stigma that "disagreement is bad, my way or the highway". There are some "issues" that are non-issues. This Kaepernick thing is only significant because people are complaining about something that doesn't even affect them. It's not political. I disagree with kneeling coming from a long standing military family and they're Not happy with it. I'm still watching the NFL and I think it's dumb to penalize players for kneeling too. But I really don't care. This is a non issue if you want the truth.

There's a big reason I don't like this thread. There is a place for talking politics. In a sports community isn't one in my humble opinion. I'm keeping it open because you all keep posting.


lmfaoooooooo who called you a Fascist [profanity deleted]?
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
Again putting words in my mouth. When did I even bring up the first amendment? I said if people criticized kaep and were silent on the other stuff. We aren't talking about kaep being thrown in jail for what he did or having to face penalties from the government, of course he shouldn't. That shouldn't even be a question.

As for this 1% of 1%, you'd be surprised. Trump calls NFL players protesting SOBs(So you know he is fired up about this stuff) but I haven't seen him use near that language when talking about these people. Kinda weird for Trump of all people to be all wishy washy when talking about them right? All those folks standing around the guy seemed to have no problem with it either, wonder how those people feel about kaep.

I haven't accused you of anything and yet here you are acting so defensively, why is that I wonder?

Trump from the moment he started campaigning said he was pro military and pro law enfocement. He went overboard with the SOB namecalling but the left is the ones that have to make it a racist thing. Why cant he just be pissed off at them as Americans? AS for the Nazis let them have their stupid march. The best thing to do is to ignore them but you know the left cant do that. Their word gets more out by the media and the lefts attention to it. As for the wishy washy thing Trump has denounced the racists several times.

Believe me I don't never act defensively. What people were you talking about when you brought up your post? It sure seemed to me like you were talking about Trump supporters which I am one.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
I'll be working for the US Senate starting in January. I'm a political science major. I discuss politics basically 95% of the time I'm not on here.

I'm of the agreement that not talking about it is a reason, but disagreement is a good thing. If it's done civilly. Disagreement leads to compromise, which leads to progress. A lot of us don't want to talk to certain people... Because we know it's going to go nowhere. In the case of you, I know you're reasonable and not going to do what someone did earlier today and call me a "Fascist [profanity deleted]" even though I'm as moderate as can be. Some of us do try to have discussions. The problem is now the stigma that "disagreement is bad, my way or the highway". There are some "issues" that are non-issues. This Kaepernick thing is only significant because people are complaining about something that doesn't even affect them. It's not political. I disagree with kneeling coming from a long standing military family and they're Not happy with it. I'm still watching the NFL and I think it's dumb to penalize players for kneeling too. But I really don't care. This is a non issue if you want the truth.

There's a big reason I don't like this thread. There is a place for talking politics. In a sports community isn't one in my humble opinion. I'm keeping it open because you all keep posting.

A fascist and a [profanity deleted]. Wow man smh. You took it better than I would.

I just try to make sure I don't start the discussions and just try to talk about what everybody else is interested in and play off of that. Believe me I can start all kinds of subject. I mean Swedish elections really says a lot. Susan Collins getting hangers sent to her. But I refrain.

Thanks for keeping this open and good luck working with the senate. If you can later bring up some of your experiences. I'm interested.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
There's a big reason I don't like this thread. There is a place for talking politics. In a sports community isn't one in my humble opinion. I'm keeping it open because you all keep posting.
Totally agree and also I think the reason the kneeling thing is so disliked by many. Protest and perform acts of activism outside the sports venue. People come and watch to be entertained. For most it’s not about disagreeing with anyone’s view of the issue.
 

Inqui

Pro Bowler
A fascist and a [profanity deleted]. Wow man smh. You took it better than I would.

I just try to make sure I don't start the discussions and just try to talk about what everybody else is interested in and play off of that. Believe me I can start all kinds of subject. I mean Swedish elections really says a lot. Susan Collins getting hangers sent to her. But I refrain.

Thanks for keeping this open and good luck working with the senate. If you can later bring up some of your experiences. I'm interested.
I tend to disregard comments like that from any side of the aisle. People are just insane and it's the culmination of the bubble mentality @52520Andrew referred to earlier. Someone has a crazy idea and in the real world they get knocked over the head and told to pull their head in, but in a homogenous community that crazy idea gets met with full agreement and even some crazier ideas until they spiral to some pretty emotional levels. That's by no means unique to politics though - even this forum's an example of how communities tend to self-select these days with the internet and I guess you take the good with the bad.

That's also why I'm a little against the grain here and I think a thread like this has a place on a sports forum like this. The common factor is non-political so you get more of a random sample of ideas rather than r/thedonald or The Young Turks comments sections or other wretched hives of scum and villainy. But there obviously needs to be rules of engagement like in the real world, which the internet is still very much coming to grips with. But I digress.

I'm similar in that I find a lot of topics in a lot of countries interesting even if I think our pet topics are probably rather more different being that I tend to be more interested in the economics and financials of the world (hence my recent spiel on Turkey and central banking lol). And if our interpretations of events tend to be fairly different (although the political spectrum's a funny thing: I'm fairly centrist in NZ but those same views would be fairly right-wing in Australia and many parts of Europe but on the US spectrum I'd be a stark raving socialist so go figure). I usually find discussions about immigration, gun control and abortion fairly tedious though, they usually go the same way with the same points getting rehashed every time. Out of interest, where do you tend to get your news from?
 

Inqui

Pro Bowler
I'll be working for the US Senate starting in January. I'm a political science major. I discuss politics basically 95% of the time I'm not on here.

I'm of the agreement that not talking about it is a reason, but disagreement is a good thing. If it's done civilly. Disagreement leads to compromise, which leads to progress. A lot of us don't want to talk to certain people... Because we know it's going to go nowhere. In the case of you, I know you're reasonable and not going to do what someone did earlier today and call me a "Fascist [profanity deleted]" even though I'm as moderate as can be. Some of us do try to have discussions. The problem is now the stigma that "disagreement is bad, my way or the highway". There are some "issues" that are non-issues. This Kaepernick thing is only significant because people are complaining about something that doesn't even affect them. It's not political. I disagree with kneeling coming from a long standing military family and they're Not happy with it. I'm still watching the NFL and I think it's dumb to penalize players for kneeling too. But I really don't care. This is a non issue if you want the truth.

There's a big reason I don't like this thread. There is a place for talking politics. In a sports community isn't one in my humble opinion. I'm keeping it open because you all keep posting.
Good luck with the senate job. What are you doing over there? My partner's a senior civil servant and she dragged me to a foreign policy conference a couple of months ago and it was really interesting - I'd never rubbed shoulders with political types before so that was a whole new world. I was picking some officials' minds over lunch about the issues facing Japan and Europe and their futures and the whole thing was fascinating to me but probably wouldn't have been to a lot of other people. Though Jon Stewart recently gave some advice to people getting into politics, which was to not let the stink get on you. :p (I think the debacle with the Zadroga Act made him REALLY cynical of the whole process though)
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
Totally agree and also I think the reason the kneeling thing is so disliked by many. Protest and perform acts of activism outside the sports venue. People come and watch to be entertained. For most it’s not about disagreeing with anyone’s view of the issue.
The same argument can be used to stop playing the anthem before each game in what is an American, not international competition.
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
lmfaoooooooo who called you a Fascist [profanity deleted]?
Okay. So CU Boulder has an area called the "free speech fountain", where you can legally support whichever political agenda you may desire and have a reasonable discussion. I would know, I'm there quite often. It's a thing I like, I like differing opinions. Usually. Assholes do take advantage of it, namely the religious extremists similar to the Westboro Baptist Church(the "God Hates Fags" people... yes, they're out here. I one time got chastised of for wearing shorts. I'm going to hell for that. Well I can't help these sexy calves). So today there was a group of young African American transgender women chanting some bullshit progressive rhetoric. "The rise is coming. black trans-women, CU Boulder. Down with white people, watch your privilege"). So they started straight up harassing some poor white girl. "You've had your life handed to you on a silver platter. You're going to be the first to go". Now, all of us here are reasonable people and we can agree that, well that's just not right at all. So I basically told them to leave her alone. And boom. "You support her agenda of facism." And then the name dropped. Not sure where the [profanity deleted] came from but I'm a person who takes pride in the way he dresses(Thanks Europe). I do like my Jeans and a T-shirt, but one can usually find me in a nice pair of chinos and a polo shirt(button down during winter months. I personally think that it's important to look impressionable whenever at school. You never know who you're going to meet and you don't want to give the impression that you're a slob. If that makes me "gay" then so be it. I don't care). I just rolled my eyes and I walked away. I've learned in life that there's no reasoning with these kind of people.

So yeah. Forgive me for not wanting to talk politics on here. Or thinking the Kaepernick thing is a non-issue, which it totally is. I still think it's a nice scapegoat for people who want to boycott the NFL to do so.

I tend to disregard comments like that from any side of the aisle. People are just insane and it's the culmination of the bubble mentality @52520Andrew referred to earlier. Someone has a crazy idea and in the real world they get knocked over the head and told to pull their head in, but in a homogenous community that crazy idea gets met with full agreement and even some crazier ideas until they spiral to some pretty emotional levels. That's by no means unique to politics though - even this forum's an example of how communities tend to self-select these days with the internet and I guess you take the good with the bad.

That's also why I'm a little against the grain here and I think a thread like this has a place on a sports forum like this. The common factor is non-political so you get more of a random sample of ideas rather than r/thedonald or The Young Turks comments sections or other wretched hives of scum and villainy. But there obviously needs to be rules of engagement like in the real world, which the internet is still very much coming to grips with. But I digress.

I'm similar in that I find a lot of topics in a lot of countries interesting even if I think our pet topics are probably rather more different being that I tend to be more interested in the economics and financials of the world (hence my recent spiel on Turkey and central banking lol). And if our interpretations of events tend to be fairly different (although the political spectrum's a funny thing: I'm fairly centrist in NZ but those same views would be fairly right-wing in Australia and many parts of Europe but on the US spectrum I'd be a stark raving socialist so go figure). I usually find discussions about immigration, gun control and abortion fairly tedious though, they usually go the same way with the same points getting rehashed every time. Out of interest, where do you tend to get your news from?
I personally think that in any political discourse, an unbiased moderation is necessary to keep the discussion reasonable and Civil. My big problem with Congress right now is how polarized it has become and how extreme both parties have become. I'm all for a difference of opinion, but when you resort to name calling, nothing is going to get done. Now they won't even talk to each other. Is part of that from people not willing to discuss things? Yes, but there has to be another place where people can discuss this stuff. That could be it's own forum with it's own set of rules. This is a sports community that's trying to expand to being more than just a Ravens site(at least those are my intentions with the place). Politics shouldn't be intermingled. I come on here to forget my problems in the real world.
Good luck with the senate job. What are you doing over there? My partner's a senior civil servant and she dragged me to a foreign policy conference a couple of months ago and it was really interesting - I'd never rubbed shoulders with political types before so that was a whole new world. I was picking some officials' minds over lunch about the issues facing Japan and Europe and their futures and the whole thing was fascinating to me but probably wouldn't have been to a lot of other people. Though Jon Stewart recently gave some advice to people getting into politics, which was to not let the stink get on you. :p (I think the debacle with the Zadroga Act made him REALLY cynical of the whole process though)
Thank you good sir. I'll be interning(though it's paid which is really hard to come by). The main parts of my job description are that I'll be giving tours of the capitol building, and helping out with his constituents. I have 0 intentions of going into the field but who knows? Maybe I like the political game and/or at least I can get a good looking internship on my resume. I only applied to senators that I thought were reasonable(both parties too). The best way to not get the stink on you, is to keep your damn mouth shut and listen to your boss lol. But still, I digress.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
I tend to disregard comments like that from any side of the aisle. People are just insane and it's the culmination of the bubble mentality @52520Andrew referred to earlier. Someone has a crazy idea and in the real world they get knocked over the head and told to pull their head in, but in a homogenous community that crazy idea gets met with full agreement and even some crazier ideas until they spiral to some pretty emotional levels. That's by no means unique to politics though - even this forum's an example of how communities tend to self-select these days with the internet and I guess you take the good with the bad.

That's also why I'm a little against the grain here and I think a thread like this has a place on a sports forum like this. The common factor is non-political so you get more of a random sample of ideas rather than r/thedonald or The Young Turks comments sections or other wretched hives of scum and villainy. But there obviously needs to be rules of engagement like in the real world, which the internet is still very much coming to grips with. But I digress.

I'm similar in that I find a lot of topics in a lot of countries interesting even if I think our pet topics are probably rather more different being that I tend to be more interested in the economics and financials of the world (hence my recent spiel on Turkey and central banking lol). And if our interpretations of events tend to be fairly different (although the political spectrum's a funny thing: I'm fairly centrist in NZ but those same views would be fairly right-wing in Australia and many parts of Europe but on the US spectrum I'd be a stark raving socialist so go figure). I usually find discussions about immigration, gun control and abortion fairly tedious though, they usually go the same way with the same points getting rehashed every time. Out of interest, where do you tend to get your news from?

With me being a transportation engineer I tend to listen to the Patriot channel on Sirius with my favorite being Andrew Wilkow but I also like Mark Levin and Hannity an awful lot too and at home I like to watch some national FOX news but its mostly the local FOX channel that I like to watch for local news with some national mixed in. I have Yahoo news on the computer which is where I check out some NYT and WApo articles and whatever else catches my eye and see what the left has to say. This is when I'm drinking my coffee in the morning where I also find time to get my Purple Flock fix in.
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
You may not like or agree with conservatives, but there appears to be a censorship movement against conservatives. Why I have a problem with this is because it just sets the precedence/opens up Pandora's Box for these social media giants to silent and censor whoever the fuck they want. I get it, they're private companies, they can do what they please. While I get that, it seems like, for the most part, these social media giants are censoring simply because they don't agree with conservatives or whatever. Just my two cents. Here's an article from USAToday that basically talks about what I mentioned:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-conservatives-republicans-column/1250893002/
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
You may not like or agree with conservatives, but there appears to be a censorship movement against conservatives. Why I have a problem with this is because it just sets the precedence/opens up Pandora's Box for these social media giants to silent and censor whoever the fuck they want. I get it, they're private companies, they can do what they please. While I get that, it seems like, for the most part, these social media giants are censoring simply because they don't agree with conservatives or whatever. Just my two cents. Here's an article from USAToday that basically talks about what I mentioned:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-conservatives-republicans-column/1250893002/

That’s an opinion piece that has no sense of what’s going on - it’s an all around problem with feelings on both sides - but it’s important to differentiate between censorship for the sake of censoring dissenting voices and suspending/banning accounts that violate policy - these are still private companies with a duty of care to all their users and therefore they will have a terms of use and if those terms get broken then warnings etc will come out of that

It’s not actual censorship in these spaces - no one is taking away these peoples’ voices - they are still free to think and say what they want - free speech does not entitle you to an audience - people are allowed not to listen
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
That’s an opinion piece that has no sense of what’s going on - it’s an all around problem with feelings on both sides - but it’s important to differentiate between censorship for the sake of censoring dissenting voices and suspending/banning accounts that violate policy - these are still private companies with a duty of care to all their users and therefore they will have a terms of use and if those terms get broken then warnings etc will come out of that

It’s not actual censorship in these spaces - no one is taking away these peoples’ voices - they are still free to think and say what they want - free speech does not entitle you to an audience - people are allowed not to listen
To address your very first point, here's a video from Project Veritas that exposed Twitter employees admitting to this kind of thing:


Now are people from the left getting the same treatment (for lack of a better word)? To an extent yes. Now I don't know who had the time to go through this NY Times journalist Sarah Jeong's twitter, but apparently she went on some anti-white tirade a few years ago. Candace Owens, a popular conservative voice, decided to prove a point by mimicking some of her tweets word for word, but replacing the "white" for "Jewish" or "black." The result? She got banned for 12 hours. I know right, 12 hours. That just seems like a double standard, don't you think? However, I wouldn't do what she did as I would've blocked Jeong. Now here's a video from a moderate/left-leaning individual that talks about this and Jack Dorsey's recent interview with CNN ().

To address your last point, while I agree, shouldn't that be up to the people to block and mute whoever they please and not the company themselves so long as they're not directly threatening violence or anything like to anyone? I mean the dude who started the #WalkAway movement got banned from Facebook because he mentioned his interview with Alex Jones on Infowars. He did make a good point with one of his tweets: "To be clear, you can be banned for SAYING THE NAME of a person or show that they don’t like. Interesting that saying the name “Hitler” 10,000x a day when describing our president is not a problem. But mention A.J.? BANNED."

Just my two cents.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
The same argument can be used to stop playing the anthem before each game in what is an American, not international competition.
Not the same. The playing of the Star Spangled Banner is not a political statement to most Americans, rather it’s a symbol of national pride and patriotism. It’s not meant as a representation of anyone’s political view or a protest. And while it may be peculiar to domestic US sporting events it doesn’t make it wrong or some sort of political symbol no matter how it’s viewed by non citizens.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
Not the same. The playing of the Star Spangled Banner is not a political statement to most Americans, rather it’s a symbol of national pride and patriotism. It’s not meant as a representation of anyone’s political view or a protest. And while it may be peculiar to domestic US sporting events it doesn’t make it wrong or some sort of political symbol no matter how it’s viewed by non citizens.
I'm sorry but from outside it seems weird having such an urge to prove to yourselves week after week how patriotic you are.
And, political statement or not, it doesn't have anything to do with sport.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
That’s an opinion piece that has no sense of what’s going on - it’s an all around problem with feelings on both sides - but it’s important to differentiate between censorship for the sake of censoring dissenting voices and suspending/banning accounts that violate policy - these are still private companies with a duty of care to all their users and therefore they will have a terms of use and if those terms get broken then warnings etc will come out of that

It’s not actual censorship in these spaces - no one is taking away these peoples’ voices - they are still free to think and say what they want - free speech does not entitle you to an audience - people are allowed not to listen


https://prophecyinthenews.com/world_news/big-tech-leading-censorship-war-on-conservatives/

The Marcia Blackburn incident I remember clearly. There is a reason twitter and fb CEO's got quizzed by congress. I understand these are private companies but when everybody seems to support net neutrality...…………………….. These platforms are supposed to uphold 1st amendment rights.
Your very last sentence is spot on except the part about taking away peoples voices/censorship cuz they are. Change the channel. Don't view it. It should be our choice not somebody elses decision. Its called freedom.

There is even new footage out that show Google exectives being upset after the Trump win. When all these major media giants lean left you truly believe in your heart that they're fair?
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
I'm sorry but from outside it seems weird having such an urge to prove to yourselves week after week how patriotic you are.
And, political statement or not, it doesn't have anything to do with sport.
lol......that's fine whatever you want to think, but it has nothing to do with any need to "prove" anything. The SSB is played at many gatherings and sporting events and has been for decades, even sometimes at little league and pop warner games. Whether you think it's weird or not it's an American institution that's not going anywhere. I'm sure there's a multitude of customs and institutions around the world that may seem weird to us as well.
 

cobrajet

Hall of Famer
It does my heart good to see everyone in North Carolina coming together to help each other. No one is caring who are Democrats or Republicans. No one cares what color they are, just people helping people. Men are coming there and saying, I just want to help people. Seeing this makes my heart so happy. God bless America!!!!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top