The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[rossihunter2]

Take for example the incident with the teens wearing MAGA hats and the Native American. Media reported the teens caused an incident then soon after the real video came out that showed the complete opposite happened. The media has really become all about hating Trump, and attacking him any chance they get facts be damned. They saw it as a way to make Trump look bad(even though Trump does that to himself already).

The Democratic party can try hard but I honestly do not see anyone who is rumored to be running in 2020 that can take him down. Plus I think a lot of people have woken up to their BS and probably will vote Trump again. I'm afraid the Democrats will have to wait until 2024 unless they get a serious candidate who poses a real threat to Trump. So probably another 5 years of the media attacking everything Trump does, 5 more years of late night comedians and Saturday Night Live making fun of Trump, etc.

nope

if you watch the videos the first take was the correct one - the media narrative changed because one of the kids parents brought on an incredible PR firm to help change the narrative

if you watch the whole of the videos those teens were 100% out of order and acting like a mob using racially insensitive chants and being provocative - they also are on camera saying awful things like "it's not rape if you enjoy it" to multiple women passing by - they are not innocent parties to whom the opposite happened

if anything they've gotten off lightly - they've been on national media and invited to the white house... for being at best idiots and at worst racists/bigots

 

[rossihunter2]

But certain candidates will ensure a Trump reelection in 2020 if the Dems are dumb enough to put them there

Kamala Harris would have california but the rest of the country views her as hilariously extreme and the silent majority rust belt would roll there eyes at the identity politics.

Elizabeth Warren has no chance in hell, she's a worse version of Hillary Clinton and totally lacks the personality to get elected.

Corey Booker would actually make for a decent president in my opinion but Trump would have too much ammo with all of his antics on the Senate floor.

Bernie would have a chance but ultimately the majority of the country identifies as moderate. The more they'd dig into the socialism he preaches the more they'd push away. The young people, the one he panders to the most, NEVER makes it to the polls even for candiadates they loved like Obama. Not to mention, several Americans would be concerned about his age(I disagree with Bernie on a lot, but he's actually a really nice guy for what it's worth).

Biden would kick any of their asses,and probably slaughter Trump. He's probably going to be the nominee in 2020 if he decides to run.

I haven't seen a candidate come out who will energise the democratic base

Kamala Harris has too much in her history that's hypocritical to her current position in terms of what her politics are and if she positions herself as the champion of the left and the marginalised there's a lot to point to in her political record and time as DA that would sink her

Warren would be fine but Trump's base would be energised by the easy lay-up put downs that Trump has been throwing her way since the beginning

Corey Booker would probably be the best of the candidates you've listed and im not sure the antics on the senate floor would have any bearing on his popular appeal or electability

Bernie would never win the dem nomination - his true colours have come out since - he pushes himself as a champion of the marginalised and a manageable socialist but he's not authentic and doesnt view civil rights and social equality as priorities as part of that viewpoint which will sink him

I'm not sure that Biden would win or run but we'll see

 

[jboy19]

Im a right-leaning moderate, but I doubt the Dems could nominate someone that would cause me to vote for Trump in 2020.

They could certainly nominate someone I (and people like me) wouldn't vote for, but that's not really a concern that they probably have. They could probably pick up any votes from an energized base that they would lose from moderates by going with a farther left candidate. All that said, however, beating an incumbent is hard and candidates have come back from low approval ratings before.

But as the GOP learned in 2014, when the primary field gets stacked, anything can happen. I'm hoping for a Biden run personally, but I'm at least open to most of the declared/potential 2020 Democratic candidates at this point.

 

[Willbacker]

nope

if you watch the videos the first take was the correct one - the media narrative changed because one of the kids parents brought on an incredible PR firm to help change the narrative

if you watch the whole of the videos those teens were 100% out of order and acting like a mob using racially insensitive chants and being provocative - they also are on camera saying awful things like "it's not rape if you enjoy it" to multiple women passing by - they are not innocent parties to whom the opposite happened

if anything they've gotten off lightly - they've been on national media and invited to the white house... for being at best idiots and at worst racists/bigots

The 2nd vid came out right after the 1st video. The PR firm was hired several days later mainly cuz of death threats to the families. You really need to get your facts straight. Do you still believe Nathan Phillpis was a Vietnam veteran too? Come to find out he was a reserve who never left the states. There a 2 hour video that shows everything. First you had the Black Israelites throwing all kinds of racial slurs like calling them "incest babies" ( that's the least of the horrible things they said) and it clearly shows the native americans walking over to the young men with the one banging a drum in the kids face. These were grown men doing this to children. They were trying to intimidate them. You also understand this was the Pro Life March.

 

[Tank]

The 2nd vid came out right after the 1st video. The PR firm was hired several days later mainly cuz of death threats to the families. You really need to get your facts straight. Do you still believe Nathan Phillpis was a Vietnam veteran too? Come to find out he was a reserve who never left the states. There a 2 hour video that shows everything. First you had the Black Israelites throwing all kinds of racial slurs like calling them "incest babies" ( that's the least of the horrible things they said) and it clearly shows the native americans walking over to the young men with the one banging a drum in the kids face. These were grown men doing this to children. They were trying to intimidate them. You also understand this was the Pro Life March.

The Right to Life March was Friday at the other end of the Mall. The kids were assembled there at the Lincoln Memorial to board their busses and leave. But you are spot on....The Black Israelites verbally attacked the kids group in a vulgar and relentless manner. The kids pep rally chants had nothing to do with anything of a protest they were just trying to drown out the vulgarities spewed by the BHI guys. Then Phillips and the other folks from the Indigenous People March inexplicably walked into the middle of it, he said to “defuse the situation”.

If anything it was a poor choice by the high school folks to pick the Lincoln Memorial as a departure point on that day since the protests were going on. I’m sure had they known the other stuff was going on there they would have assembled elsewhere.

 

[flynismo]

 

[flynismo]

because it's about exerting power not really about the wall at all - the wall is the symbol of his campaign and his presidency - but its about the rise of authoritarian-type philosophies of leadership

part of me thinks he wants to crush the democrats by holding out because he has no empathy or sympathy for the government workers etc. who can no longer feed themselves or everything shutting down - he's hoping that the dems cant hold out that long because they cant let people suffer

and mcconnell is aiding him the whole way by not even letting bipartisan bills to reopen government even get on the floor

the problem for them from a public standpoint is that Nancy Pelosi has cleverly got ahead of the potential media battle and clearly positioned the democrats and the house of representatives as being willing and ready to open the government

i understand the tactic he's employing and i think it's crucial to democracy that it doesn't work

We aren't a democracy, and thank god for that.
Pelosi and Schumer are scum.

 

[flynismo]

 

[Inqui]

But certain candidates will ensure a Trump reelection in 2020 if the Dems are dumb enough to put them there

Kamala Harris would have california but the rest of the country views her as hilariously extreme and the silent majority rust belt would roll there eyes at the identity politics.

Elizabeth Warren has no chance in hell, she's a worse version of Hillary Clinton and totally lacks the personality to get elected.

Corey Booker would actually make for a decent president in my opinion but Trump would have too much ammo with all of his antics on the Senate floor.

Bernie would have a chance but ultimately the majority of the country identifies as moderate. The more they'd dig into the socialism he preaches the more they'd push away. The young people, the one he panders to the most, NEVER makes it to the polls even for candiadates they loved like Obama. Not to mention, several Americans would be concerned about his age(I disagree with Bernie on a lot, but he's actually a really nice guy for what it's worth).

Biden would kick any of their asses,and probably slaughter Trump. He's probably going to be the nominee in 2020 if he decides to run.

Honestly people talk about the election being close but I don't think anyone realises just how close it really was.

Swing Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (traditional Democrat strongholds that she thought would be a gimmie) back to Hillary and she wins the election. She lost those seats by a combined 77,444 votes. Jill Stein (the popular protest vote for the "Bernie or Bust" crowd - don't get me started on the left's tendency to run ideological purity tests on candidates) got 132,476 votes, and made up more than the difference between the two candidates in each of those three states. Provided the Democrats nominate someone that people don't see as too much of a "corporatist" they can honestly make a game of it, especially considering Trump's approval ratings are comparable to a lot of one-term presidents at this stage in their terms.

I know he doesn't want to say who he voted for, and I respect that 100%, but that's why I'm genuinely curious about @Ice Bowl's thoughts.

Digression aside I think Elizabeth Warren would honestly do a huge amount of good if her pet project (the rule being that all presidents get one major flagship project) was about financial reform. I'm not anti-finance or anti-business by any stretch but that system's kinda broken atm and you could improve a lot of people's lives by implementing some intelligent reforms - not to mention making the current system (which is solid but still incredibly creaky) a lot more robust. Forget the talking heads that would whinge about socialism and Venezuela - any Democrat would get that no matter what they did. She doesn't have a chance of winning though, because I don't imagine many people in that bloc of 80,000 like being lectured by an East Coast liberal - notwithstanding the fact that she's an actual expert in that field.

Sherrod Brown's an interesting one who could be a dark horse, and as @cobrajet said Beto has a fair bit of potential given he seems to have the right economic message and knows how to build electoral hype. Amy Klobuchar's another one I'd be interested in seeing the polling data for. Al Franken would have done really well on the campaign trail too, but that's obviously a non-starter now.

 

[Willbacker]

We aren't a democracy, and thank god for that.
Pelosi and Schumer are scum.

I've been saying this over and over again. WE ARE A REPUBLIC with democratic principles. States that form a country. A true democracy would be 50.1% of people can control everything with no checks or balances. The word democracy is not in the Constitution.

The best part of this was right at the end where he said " What Trump says. Say the opposite and if yo say it enough thru social media or the news you will believe it ". If that's not the fuckin truth. Thanks for posting this stuff. Maybe more people will understand this hypocrisy.

 

[Willbacker]

In fact I'm not done yet. Wanna talk about hypocrisy lets talk about Russia. The Dems loved Russia. Reset button. Selling them uranium. Left wing marches always had the sickle flag waving. Obama whispering to that Russian ambassador "After I'm elected I'll have more leeway " on a hot mic. The Russian dossier that allowed for the FISA warrant...…………….but when Trump won.

Also everybody loved Trump when he was a Clinton donor and when he was on NBC making them money hand over fist with The Apprentice. Never was called a racist until...…….. he came down them stairs.

 

[Tank]

nope

if you watch the videos the first take was the correct one - the media narrative changed because one of the kids parents brought on an incredible PR firm to help change the narrative

if you watch the whole of the videos those teens were 100% out of order and acting like a mob using racially insensitive chants and being provocative - they also are on camera saying awful things like "it's not rape if you enjoy it" to multiple women passing by - they are not innocent parties to whom the opposite happened

if anything they've gotten off lightly - they've been on national media and invited to the white house... for being at best idiots and at worst racists/bigots

Man I hope you’ve looked into this a bit deeper and understand how incorrect you are with this post.

Here’s a brief explaination written by the editor of the Detroit Free Press of what went wrong with the reporting of the story.
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion...illips-covington-catholic-lessons/2675868002/

 

[flynismo]

I've been saying this over and over again. WE ARE A REPUBLIC with democratic principles. States that form a country. A true democracy would be 50.1% of people can control everything with no checks or balances. The word democracy is not in the Constitution.



The best part of this was right at the end where he said " What Trump says. Say the opposite and if yo say it enough thru social media or the news you will believe it ". If that's not the fuckin truth. Thanks for posting this stuff. Maybe more people will understand this hypocrisy.

Did you watch that video with Cruz? It's a little lengthy, but worth the watch for anyone who is interested in the actual truth, not the "truth" according to republicans and democrats.

And indeed, mob rule is never a desirable thing, and our constitution ensures that a democracy cannot poison our country.

 

[flynismo]

In fact I'm not done yet. Wanna talk about hypocrisy lets talk about Russia. The Dems loved Russia. Reset button. Selling them uranium. Left wing marches always had the sickle flag waving. Obama whispering to that Russian ambassador "After I'm elected I'll have more leeway " on a hot mic. The Russian dossier that allowed for the FISA warrant...…………….but when Trump won.

Also everybody loved Trump when he was a Clinton donor and when he was on NBC making them money hand over fist with The Apprentice. Never was called a racist until...…….. he came down them stairs.

That's how the left is today. Disagreeing with them means that you are obviously a racist, sexist, xenophobe, homophobe, or any combination of the above. There are very few true classic liberals left in our country, which is an absolute shame. The poles have shifted so far over the last few years. Myself, I'm a centrist. But I'm finding that my views are no longer considered centrist, but instead leans conservative. And my disgust for the democrats and their leaders push me deeper and deeper into conservative territory, which is not something that I want or enjoy. But that is where I find myself.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Mainstream media (most of it) have stopped reporting news long, long time ago, not only in America. They turned into news manufacturing or news blocking/censoring services and the most influential lobbying outlets. Why people still pay attention to what they have to say is beyond me.

The sad thing is that most mainstream news networks are the problems. Sure, you have your sources like Reuters, and the Associated Press, which are as informational and as unbiased as ever, but the majority of the big-time op-ed commentary shows for the "news" networks such as CNN, Buzzfeed, MSNBC, Fox, Brietbart, The Blaze, etc(of which the two worst offenders by far are Buzzfeed and the Blaze) get their information from the local newspapers if not the government itself. Problem with all of these, buzzfeed and the Blaze especially is that they try to stuff a narrative down your throat. This partisan bullshit has spewed into sports media too. Now ESPN is a social justice network who focuses more on identity politics rather than the sports.....

The most credible sources you're going to find at this point are independently owned media outlets, or local local local newspapers, which are sadly getting their asses kicked by the invention of the internet.

There are a few exceptions that I find to be mostly unbiased. No new source is at true neutral, but the best I've found.

Associated Press
The Economist
Reuters
NPR
The Washington Post
The Atlantic

They basically have 0 true narrative and are fantastic for acquiring information.

 

[Ice Bowl]

This country is a mess right now.

 

[cobrajet]

This country is a mess right now.

It certainly is brother.

 

[Tank]

This country is a mess right now.

It certainly is brother.

Yep. It’s been a slow, steady ride to this point for the past 15 years or so and we’ll need an unselfish common sense approach to fix it. I’m not sure how that gets accomplished but I do know it needs to start with each and every one of us.

 

[Willbacker]

Did you watch that video with Cruz? It's a little lengthy, but worth the watch for anyone who is interested in the actual truth, not the "truth" according to republicans and democrats.

And indeed, mob rule is never a desirable thing, and our constitution ensures that a democracy cannot poison our country.

Yes I watched the video. This is the behind the scenes stuff that goes on which most people don't know about.

 

[gtalk12]

That situation with the indian and the kids was interesting. There was a 3rd party involved and if you know anything about them then you know what they can be about.

What is astounding is how quickly these "reporters" report something without doing their due diligence. Whatever happened to integrity? Especially in these times where sensitivity is at an all time high and everyone is looking to explode?

Those hats, those fucking hats.....that is all I could really think about.