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The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Forum' started by usmccharles, May 22, 2017.

  1. Inqui

    Inqui Veteran

    Absolutely horrific stuff. And pretty disturbing to think about it happening in a peaceful country like ours.

    The discourse regarding Islam in particular has gotten downright vile over the past few years and it's hard not to feel like this is the fruit of that in at least some way.
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  2. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    jesus - its reported that the terrorist wrote the names of mosque mass shooters in other countries on the side of his gun
  3. gtalk12

    gtalk12 Veteran

    It is getting out of hand.
  4. 52520Andrew

    52520Andrew Veteran

    From his manifesto. His motivation may be completely wrong but the objective to create even more division could easily succeed
    Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the UnitedStates on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights willultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.

    This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separationof the people within the United States ensuring the future of the Whiterace on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the
    “melting pot” pipe dream.
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  5. Inqui

    Inqui Veteran

    At least two people in prominent positions have called for a "final solution" in the past couple of years, and the amount of people I've seen justifying the treatment of the Rohingyya and the victims here has been sobering in the worst way. But even everyday stuff like people I know getting yelled at in the streets just because they're wearing a hijab and saying Muslims have no place in [insert Western society here] is also appalling and it creates an environment where these far more reprehensible things happen. I tend to stay out of discussions where things like that come up but for years I've been dismayed at the veracity and the toxicity of such sentiments, and that's honestly made me feel all the more helpless after yesterday. And as bad as it is for me to see and hear all that stuff I can only imagine how much more upsetting it must be for a Muslim.

    I'm honestly at a loss over what to say or do (short of donating to Islamic charities or victim support groups). Everyone will come together for the victims (for the most part) but it won't be long before Muslims are back to being subjected to more scrutiny at airports and being yelled at in the street and so on. And the whole thing's just so disheartening.
  6. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    literally one of the first people onsite at the first mosque was a white guy in his van who rolled up and started laughing saying he wanted to come and watch the fun or some shit like that

    its horrific

    the only thing that can really be done is to put pressure on people in power to work towards erasing platforms for white supremacist groups and their neo-nazi affiliates etc. and to be conscious of what certain types of language and framing and images do to reinforce or challenge the ideas about Islam and Muslims that allows for (mostly) white men to be radicalised in this way
  7. gtalk12

    gtalk12 Veteran

    This is where it gets scary. There are too many platforms that teeter the line on hate speech and thought they may not say it outright it is certainly implied at times.

    This is where the right will come in and say "Freedom of Speech" to which I agree because I see the big picture. Today this and tomorrow something else. I get that part... HOWEVER, one can't deny that Freedom of Speech left unchecked has caused a massive rise of extremists on "both sides".

    These platforms and their algorithms place people front and center to the information that they want to see and believe. I dread the world that this is becoming.
  8. JO_75

    JO_75 Ravens Ring of Honor

    This is not good, the people of New Zealand are letting their government win. The Prime Minister is of course calling for stricter gun laws but also asking gun owners to turn in their guns, and people are doing so. I hope that never happens here in the US, I mean I don't want it to happen in any country but damn the last thing you can do is let the government disarm you.

  9. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    Disarmament is only seen as a bad thing in the US - and most of the guns are being voluntarily handed in

    Seems like a pretty reasonable response to a tragedy tbh
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  10. Inqui

    Inqui Veteran

    Sure as hell beats thoughts and prayers.
  11. Inqui

    Inqui Veteran

    I never got (and don't think I ever will get) why the barometer for freedom has to be guns and not any number of other personal, institutional or democratic liberties. This is a country where cars and dogs have to be registered but guns don't. Adjusting the laws to fix a security flaw that's been exposed is hardly a first step to Orwell's 1984. It's only following Australia's trajectory (albeit 20 years behind) and you'll be hard-pressed to find a majority over there who want to go back to pre-Port Arthur massacre days.
  12. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    It’s an even more crazy response to fixing the loophole when the terrorist literally explained in his manifesto that he picked a gun as his weapon because it would stoke divisions in the US and would help rally the far right

    I think it’s pretty telling when your viewpoint in a debate is shared by the person who instigated the tragedy upon which the debate is based in the first place

    I still mourn for all those who’ve faced unimaginable loss over the last few days and my only hope is that this tragedy won’t be meaningless and I’m encouraged by the leadership of Jacinda Ardern and the way New Zealand politics has seemed to rally around the issue of gun control but also seems to be engaging in a wider public debate about racism and white supremacy

    A conversation that could fizzle out but I hope it doesn’t because it’s important
  13. Willbacker

    Willbacker Pro Bowler

  14. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

  15. Almost makes it seem like he's justifying the attack. Cmon Will do better than that.
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  16. Dom McRaven

    Dom McRaven Ravens Ring of Honor

    I thought Fox News didn't like Donna Brazille. LMAOOOOOO.
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  17. Willbacker

    Willbacker Pro Bowler

    When it seems like you're only angered/triggered by white supremacy then yes that is my response. There's a lot of hate in this world.
  18. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    ridiculous - ive condemned and always condemn all acts of terrorism - and inherently i try and understand what the underlying issues are

    im slightly worried that your only response to white supremacist terrorism is to "what about" with unrelated examples of islamist violence towards christian as if there's some sort of religious war going on - interesting that the cut off chosen in that article is 9/11 also

    i also find it worrying that you're more worried about me being angry about white supremacy than you are at white supremacy...
  19. Willbacker

    Willbacker Pro Bowler

    I don't remember you ever doing that but I could be wrong and I hate white supremacy just as much as you. If you don't believe religious war goes on in mainly muslim countries then so be it.
  20. Dom McRaven

    Dom McRaven Ravens Ring of Honor

    Let's say it all together now: FUCK white supremacy!
    Agree with this post or go to the Pit of Misery.
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