This changes literally nothing of what I've said and I'm now thoroughly convinced you don't know what ignorant means.
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Willbacker
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You have said yourself and no I'm not going to look for the damn quote that you grew up in a white part of Williamsburg Va and really don't know much about the hard life in cities and what people go thru. Or is my ignorant self again mistaking?
You are mistaken. I grew up in Baltimore with two adopted siblings who were Korean and saw first hand the racism that they suffered through. My dad killed himself when I was 14. My brother overdosed and died at the age of 27.
But please. Act like you know me more.
Willbacker
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I sincerely apologize. I must be thinking of somebody else.
That’s not entirely accurate...
A safe space is a place in lectures/meetings in educational circumstances where marginalised groups can expect that they not experience hate speech and be warned if experiences that might trigger (I.e discussions of rape or assault for sexual assault survivors) so that they can leave without repercussion
It is not a place where thoughts and opinions can’t be shared - it just is a space where hatred towards other groups not be expressed - it doesn’t mean that discussion is stifled it just means that people who are feeling overwhelmed can go somewhere to escape their situation
I don’t know how that really circumvents free speech or educational standards to be honest - students aren’t being sheltered from alternative viewpoints they just have places they can go to avoid hatred towards them
I do live in Williamsburg now, but that was because my parents had no desire to have my sister go to Woodlawn HS as a female after what my three older brothers went through
Willbacker
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Yes that's why I'll never understand why you like the left and their policies so much. They have run cities into the ground. Its also why I get so tired of whites or republicans being called racist all the time since I grew up in a black neighborhood and I had to fight quite often or had my stuff stolen just cuz I'm white. Racism works all around and that's why I go off a lot.
Woodlawn? I have heard of it. What part of Balt is that in?
I'm also so sorry to hear about your brother and father. Life just isn't easy and be cruel in so many diffren ways. I'm glad you shared so I can understand you in the proper light cuz I sure as hell wasn't before.
Do me a favor tho please lighten up on calling people ignorant tho cuz you don't know me neither and the experiences and things I've been thru. I've been given nothing.
Dom McRaven
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Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't this unconstitutional for the government to force a private business to do something like this?
I'm trying to think because it's a bit dicey to me.
Even private sectors are subject to regulation by the NFL due to interstate commerce and the such, but I'm confused on what ground it would be unconstitutional to make this law... but at the same time, I can't see it actually being legal to actually force a company to give back money because someone was unhappy with protests.
I think this ultimately fizzles out before it'd even reach the courts.
I mean, Republicans haven't really done much for poor people or lower classes, either. But truthfully, for me, the bigger issue, which will never resolve itself in all likelihood, is the fact that the drastic change that would need to occur takes more than eight years. You would need like five, six terms of a Republican/Democrat president(s) with the same exact view and a Congress willing to work with those views to actually see if these plans would or wouldn't work. Sure, sometimes something drastic (Stimulus Bill comes to mind) can work, but you can't always been in a position to make these drastic changes and with so many moving parts in government and presidents working to unravel what their predecessor did... Just really hard to get anything.
As for racism, I think that's very much rooted in the south. If you're deep south east, you're against blacks and if you're south west, you hate Mexicans. Obviously a generalization, but just given the history of the south (the Civil Rights Movement was just 50 years ago) and the immigration in the SW, racism is just more prevalent. And those states tend to vote more red, so people just put two and two together. Not saying all conservatives are racist and not all liberals are not racist, but just that the ideology residing in those states will lead to people lumping conservatives into that category.
Now, for why I consider myself liberal- I'm just much more concerned with the social issues, such as gay marriage rights, civil rights across races, pro life, second amendment restrictions, etc. Also, I do align with ideas such as higher taxes on the rich (or simply closing so many damn loopholes) being a necessary way to create infrastructure and thus jobs in the US. Just things like that. The social aspect is really the biggest for me, though.
Honestly, I couldn't tell you. Not a good part; that's for sure. I remember my brothers saying on their first day of school (two oldest are twins) that two girls got into a fight and one pulled out a razor and cut the others face. I remember once hearing that a girl got raped in the stairwell during school hours. One of my brothers had his locker broken into and all his CDs were stolen. Just crap like that. My parents were not about to let a girl go to that school and VA has much better public schools.
You would be very much correct to say that I am very fortunate to live in Williamsburg (and Blacksburg during college). I enjoyed my time in Baltimore, but I don't miss the danger that was ever present and the schools here are generally really well ranked, so I feel like I got a good education, so it worked out well for me.
My brother got into drugs and partying in Baltimore and it followed him here to Williamsburg and during college, he just kinda fell back into that same crowd type and it just spiraled more out of control when our dad died. Really shitty, but I just have to try to take it one day at a time.
The only reason I was calling you ignorant (and it has nothing to do with your stances) was that the last time we talked, I think you called me a hater(?) for my thoughts and when you made it an us-vs-them type scenario, I thought back to that and I thought it was going to go down that road again.
The thing is, if you said I would disagree with their stance, you would be correct. If a celebrity came out speaking for pro-life, I would voice my disagreement with it, but ultimately, they have a platform and if that issue is near and dear to them, then shoot, they have a much better opportunity to reach people than I do. Might as well use it.
For example, I think Ray Lewis is a really big conservative and met with Trump. I wasn't like, "Lewis, you were a football player, stay in your lane and don't go into politics." Did it disgust me a lot that he was throwing his support behind Trump? Yeah, it did. But ultimately, he's another citizen and he has a choice and a voice.
The one time that I was very much on the side of leave politics out of your job is when that Kim... wha was her last name... the one who refused to sign marriage licenses to gays. That one was where I very much would have said to stay in her lane, but that was because her job is to sign over marriage licenses and she flat out refused to do her job.
The thing is, I don't dislike you or have anything against you for the views you have. We are both on the same side- the side that wants America to be better. We just disagree on how to get there and what is best for America. And that is what makes politics... well, politics.
The Raven
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Any and all credibility... flying out the window
in terms of terms (lol) the uk has a weird system because technically a prime minister can serve an unlimited number of terms (but in actuality the longest any prime minister has served as far as im aware is 11 years because they have to have the support of the commons i.e. have a majority for their party and also be supported by their own party) - our terms are also fluid in length and can be called at virtually any time but a term must not be longer than 5 years and 1 month long - i think the most successive terms a party has won is 3 but neither of the prime ministers i can think of who did this finished their 3rd term (both resigned before their party ousted them) - it allows more fundamental change to take place (sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad - but at least there is the potential for structural change because if they have slightly longer to work and technically if the population is satisfied they arent forced to vote for a new figurehead candidate every 8 years)
K-Dog
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Pretty much every politician does this.
Trump is nither the first nor the last.
As the old joke goes...
" How do you know when a politician is lying? "
"His lips are moving. "
K-Dog
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There is no *legal* way this could possibly pass.
K-Dog
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well the cake place is being forced to pay more than $100k to a lesbian couple so, yet again our government breaks the rules our founding fathers have set.
What a disgrace.
Not like there's Supreme Court cases that set precedent for private sectors to be governed by the laws of the Civil Rights Act, but I mean... yeah, breaking laws that have been in place since 1789, when the Constitution was ratified.
Willbacker
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As for the ignorant and hater thing ( I take your word for the hater comment ) lets just wipe that slate clean and forget about it.
Now this may shock you but I actually voted for gay marriage. I did this cuz even tho I don't agree I know they really care for each other if you know what I mean. The way I think is you can live your life as you want just don't impose your life upon me.
Now as for my views I want less federal govt and I strongly believe in the Constitution especially the top 10 amendments. I'm sure you have to have noticed this in a lot of my arguments. I just don't understand why liberals want the govt to be in charge of everything whicvh is what socialism is. Redistributing wealth. Personally I believe people know how to spend their own money better than the govt does. Social security I believe is bad idea especially when you cant will it to somebody and they dictate how much you receive. Welfare state is really bad mainly cuz of abuse but it also creates a strong dependency on the govt. Illegal immigration to me is also horrible first of all its just plain breaking our laws and keeps wages down let alone keeps Americans from work therefore keeping them on welfare which is taken care of by taxpayers. This also helps the rich by hiring cheaper labor. Now with abortions I can only understand this only for rape victims ( with police report) but no way am I ever gonna fathom people just doing what they do and then taxpayers having to foot the bill. Also corporate taxes were way too high. Everything I just said are liberal ideas and I just cant support them. I also kept these short without expounding too much into detail
Now I wanted to make a separate paragraph for the cities. You said you need at least 5 or 6 terms to show improvement. You can name pretty much any major city ( Chi, Det, Cle, NYC, Balto, SF, LA for examples ) that have been run by democrats for over 50 yrs and in some cases over 100. Basically this started cuz of unions since most manufacturing jobs were there and then later imo cuz of welfare which created a stranglehold. Now I do deliver a lot in cities and so many people want jobs even offering to help unload truck with me. It hurts me when I have to tell them I don't carry cash. I just look and see so much poverty and trash. Drug addicts and homeless. Poor education systems. I just don't see how democrat policies work especially when they want to throw silly taxes out like taxing sugar drinks or plastic bags (just give paper bags out) so whatever money people make is being taken away by fees. You get a chance just look at all the fees Hogan has slashed( one being our toll system but there is so much more). This can easily be googled.
You are talking also about the Tennessee girl I believe and yes whatever the law in that state dictates is what her job is regardless of religious beliefs she should do. If not take a lower level job. Sorry about your damn luck but it is what it is.
I also want you to know I really wanted Obama to succeed and I at least gave him a chance whereas I don't believe Trump was given that same chance. He's been hounded by impeachment calls since day 1 of being president elect, been under investigation, had votes being recounted in certain states and also people wanting to get rid of electoral college. This all within the 1st month. As far as I'm concerned the left has been bone cold nasty and constantly name calling which totally turns me off.
It doesn't surprise me a ton just because more people are thankfully moving in that direction over time. Still have those hardcore Bible-belters, but I agree with you- this is a genuine love shared between two people. If a man was raping another man or having an abusive relationship, I wouldn't just blindly support it because it's gay and that's equality (same for woman-woman). Has to be a normal relationship all the way around. And I know plenty of gay people and I didn't even know they were gay for like a solid year after meeting them because they just don't go around throwing it in your face. All very respectful people.
The thing for me with government regulation is that it's necessary for me to see business thrive. For example, let's take the topic of business regulation. If business had no regulation and no government intervention, you'd be getting far worse product for much higher prices. Monopolies would run rampant and we'd be back in 1920's factory conditions. Have you ever heard of the book The Jungle? It's by Upton Sinclair back in the 20's about the meat industry. He writes about an immigrant that works for a meat factory where rats just went to the bathroom on food, maggots grew in the meat, no one washed their hands, no one wore gloves, workers were overworked and in inhumane conditions, etc. We can't have that happening again. For the idea that people know how to spend their money better, I would like to point out that it only benefits the rich that way. Let's say we slashed taxes and the top 1% of business corporations saved $1B. They aren't going to go, "Oh, now I have $1B to invest in other companies and give to my workers and hire more people," unless they are sure it will give them a massive return on investment. If it doesn't, well, shoot, they're pocketing that. On social security, I remember taking government like five years ago in high school and my teacher took the class and divided it up. On one side, there was like 20 people and on the other there was 10. He said that, I don't know, fifty years ago, those 20 people supported those 10 on social security and it worked out great because the money was effectively flowing and you got a great return on your investment. But today, those 10 people are now supporting the 20 and it's stretching the money too heavily and people aren't getting the same return on your investment. Can't really comment on welfare since it isn't something I've looked into too much. With immigration, this was a country built on immigrants from all over the world and we have this idea of the American Dream where anyone can become anything they want. But the thing is- these immigrants aren't looking for the high end office jobs or the management jobs, usually. They will take anything at all and that's usually the hard labor jobs like construction or the low end fast food jobs like McDonald's, jobs so many people hate on and want nothing to do with. I'll flat out admit that I'd never work construction. I just don't think I'd be great at it and I think I'd hate it. More power to the fact that someone else will do it so that I don't have to.
With abortions, I could never have one, but why force a single mother to bring a child into the world when she has no possible way to care for it? And abortions aren't easy, either. That's a mental tax that lives with someone for their life. I couldn't limit someone's choice to it, even if I never will have one.
With cities, this is something you can discuss for soooooooo long, but much of this goes back to the Civil Rights Movement where blacks and other minorities were finally being given the right to rent and own their own property, so people who were still racist (and that was quite a bit of America) said, "Okay, you can rent. But you'll live here in this tiny little apartment in this massive city jam packed next to a million other people." Those cities were and still are ghettos that were essentially the most run down areas and education was and still is poor there because no one wanted to teach in those areas. And naturally, if you shove that many people into a condensed area, crime will happen and drug use will only breed and it's just a mess of a situation that would be incredibly difficult to really fix. I mean, how do you fix something that was 300 years in the works, basically? I'm not a conspirator who will say that the government planted drugs and they're trying to keep cities in bad conditions, but I do believe the very nature of cities lends itself to that.
I'm very much of the mindset that I want every single politician to succeed and do well and they'll eventually just dig their own grave with their policies and stances during their term. But with Trump, just all the disgusting rhetoric from his past and a lot of his hateful stances toward minorities and it just makes me sick. I just do not care for him as a person and then I hear about wanting to authorize and take away natural landmarks and reserves, amongst a lot of other things, and it just doesn't make me care for him. Like, I didn't think Bush was a great president from everything I've studied, but the guy has been so absolutely classy that I can't hold anything against him. He just has been such a good former president.
I know a few pages back I posted a vid by collegehumour about the racial politics behind making drugs illegal but the same guy made one about the suburbs (and by extension the cities) and how they are borne out of discrimination
Willbacker
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First of all Happy New Year to everybody.
This is my last post of 2017. Lets sweep in the new year.Just wanted to touch on a couple things. First with immigration please understand I'm ok with legal immigration regardless of background. Legal immigration only. Also against chain migration. Its way too vast. I mean how many times do people get deported and keep coming back. Its a joke and yes a lot of our heroin epidemic here is caused by this laxness. Its just a fact. Sanctuary cities are also a joke and a slap in the face. According to the Constitution the federal govt controls naturalization which is immigration but lib judges for instance constantly went against the travel ban even tho it was finally granted by the Supreme court 7-2 . Sotomayer and Ginsberg were the nays and neither one gave a written reason as to why. I know I'm going a little offtrack but judges especially liberals are not following the code of law but going with their heart and their beliefs. For instance in Hawaii that judge used tourism and college entrancy as an excuse. Really? Then another time he used that Trump said Muslim ban as being racist even tho Noko and Venezuela were included. These are my opinions but I don't like the way libs seem to throw the Constitution out the window.
2nd with abortions I have said in previous I'm ok with my tax dollars going towards brth control and other safety measures for sex. To me its on the individual tho cuz they make their own decisions. See it shouldn't be a federal issue. It should belong to the states and their elected politicians say for example lets use Md. If the people elect a governor and the district councilman that believe in abortions then so be it then since the residents of Md would be taxed to pay for it. Remember the 10th amendment. I'm a strong believer in it. If you ever get the chance please look at the 18 enumerative powers the fed govt has according to the Constitution. Whats in that the fed gov controls and it includes naturalization and defense as 2 for example the rest goes to the states. To make amendments you need 2/3 of senate and house and 3/4 of states which is why you'll never see change to electoral college. No way you get 3/4 of states to agree to that.
As for Trump I believe the racism is way overblown. Yes I know about the apartment thing in 1973 but at the time it was his father running it and times were just different back then. Still wasn't right tho. As for the Mexican criminal/rapist thing the way he said it was tho theres a lot of good people in Mexico they're not sending their best and they're also letting criminals and rapists over. If you really look at that statement its not the best thing to say for sure but a true racist would hate all Mexicans. If you think about what comes illegally across the border and I can tell you right now its not doctors and scientists but lower level looking for better life and guess what criminals. As for the Muslim thing yes again not the proper way to say things but you gotta remember he's not a trained silver tongued lying lawyer politician. The point is right now those countries govts are in shambles and people there cannot be properly vetted. Just know he did not have to run for president. He could have sat back and been a fat cat enjoying the laws that make the rich rich not having his name drug thru the mud and under constant observation.
I also like the tweets and I know its coming from him and not somebody else putting words in his mouth.
I know you're gonna disagree with a lot I have said but that's why this is such a great country.....
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