Most people, even redskins fans think the rivalry began because of George Allen back in the 70s and some because of the name (cowboys and Indians), but that’s just not true. Yes how they got the vote to come into the league is funny,
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Rant; The AFC (L)East
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Pats
Veteran
I think i remember he MLB having equally as baffling old stories like that lol
Pats
Veteran
I should reword this, I mean superbowls won. Which is basically all I measure success in for championships for the nfl.
Pats
Veteran
For sure, even teams that aren't close to eachother or even in the same division (so a epl team vs a league 2 team) is still fierce. I suggest you all read an english football teams forum, simply for all the banter and hatred they have for basically all teams other than their own.
balfan23
MVP
OK - I trimmed down the novel and am responding to the only part of the post that I think is relevant. It is very questionable whether or not the Pats were going be basically guaranteed to have a bye and in so many cases a #1 seed, if they didn't have a cake division. I don't think anyone but a fool would say that they are not the best run and only true dynasty in the last 2 decades - in a league that has attempted to build itself in a way that should prevent a dynasty from being possible.
But to say that playing in a shit division hasn't benefited them simply defies logic. They get wins that most any contenting team in the conference would get. It is virtually impossible for anyone else in the conference to take that spot. Let's say we switched with them and put us in the AFCE and they go in the AFCN? Do you think they'd have 10 straight division championships? I seriously doubt it - even though they've owned the Steelers, I can't believe the Steelers would have failed in 10 straight years to win the division and the Pats win them all.
It wouldn't prevent them from being dynastic, but their road would have been more difficult in many years.
The entire point of all it was to prove that there division equals a normal amount of loses as the rest. Every time they have ever been to the Super Bowl they have won 12-16 games. Besides the 16-0, they lost 1 or two of there games to someone in the division. The year by year shows that even if they went 4-2 or even 3-3 in there division every single year, they still easily finish in the same exact situation, the one seed.
Of course they would have lost there division and not had a 10 year straight of winning the division if other teams are better. The thing is, when they were there greatest, (making the Super Bowl) they beat everyone else, and there division wouldn't have meant anything at all.
So obviously in any other division you aren't going to win 10 straight championships, but you are going to win the same exact amount of super bowls.
People forget there have been some damn good teams even during the Pats runs, the Bills have always been ass. The Jets made two straight AFC championship games, killing one of the better pats teams along the way.
I think it would get worse in the North. We have only beat them once in the regular season if I'm right. The steelers record vs them is dreadful.
Brady likely is already retired and in the HOF however if he would have to face us and vontez over and over lol
The hatred isn’t as bad as it was prior to free agency (1994) with teams going from one team to another much easier. Prior to that even the players were into the hating of the other teams. Now it’s just for fans. Do English teams have free agency or something like that
Tank
Hall of Famer
Thinking those records would be much different if they were in our division. And Brady? Retired, and not even sniffing the HOF. Puss boy has had it much too easy. lol
sailorsam
Practice Squad
I have to think that if the Pats played us and the Steelers twice a year, they'd lose fairly often.
I read somewhere, last time the Pats did not have a first-round bye was 2009 when we spanked them.
Tank
Hall of Famer
Man that just makes no sense at all. lol
I ment they won’t win 10 straight afc east championships but they’d likely still have 5 Super Bowls no matter what way you re do history. There division was hell up until after they won the 3rd. In 2016 on Tom’s revenge tour and no one was beating them. They came back 25 points against the best offense. If you want to argue a game replayed the Seahawks run the ball or whatever, you can’t disclude possibly the best team in the history of the Nfl getting to cock after 18-0.
So there’s no way they are the complete monster today in any other division (spare the Afc south) but I don’t think there’s any way they have less then 5 rings no matter how you play the cards
We could always stop them but never could put up enough points
It’s nasty we have 1 regular season win against them
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
I guess they could have had even 8 or 9 if they cheated more
Tank
Hall of Famer
Right. They have one less if only Pete Carroll isn’t such an air head! LMAO!
Less east championships but same #of SBs? yeah, no way. We’ll just have to agree to disagree here.
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DeVito52
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