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The Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Ravens Talk' started by Lost_In_Translation, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. gtalk12

    gtalk12 Veteran

    I never realized how many people really don't have Troy that high which is nuts to me.
     
  2. RaineV1

    RaineV1 Pro Bowler

    I have him pretty damn high. He fully deserves to be a hall of famer and he was a game changer. I just have a small handful of other safeties that high too. Berry had the type of big play effect Troy did, was the heart of that defense, and in his prime could shut down Gronk. ET3 is the best single high safety since Reed, and even the legion of Boom looked a lot weaker when he wasn't on the field. Them and Rod would be the only other people I'd have on that level since 2000.
     
  3. cobrajet

    cobrajet Ravens Ring of Honor

    I thought that Troy was crazy athletic. He was amazing to watch because of his athletic ability. With that said, I love hard hitting safeties and Troy was never that for me like Bernard "Bonecrusher" Pollard was. I personally place more value in a range covering Free Saftey like Ed Reed more so than a strong safety like Troy.
     
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  4. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    I always say which player would you rather have on your team, and I watched Tom Brady torch the Steelers for a decade and watched him struggle to put up more than 2 TD drives against us in the same stretch, I know who I’m taking, the one that makes the GOAT shit his pants when he sees him
     
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  5. RaineV1

    RaineV1 Pro Bowler

    Even Belichick talks up Reed as an all time great.
     
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  6. Deebo813

    Deebo813 Ravens Ring of Honor

    If we comparing troy to berry, its not even close.. no way anyone should even consider berry being a better player than troy.
     
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  7. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    I agree totally. Troy was clearly better than berry and had more natural playmaker knack than berry and impacted and changed many big moments.

    Ed Reed is my GOAT and I don’t think it’s biased, I say he’s he GOAT because with guys like Troy and Lott, you can either have game changing plays like pick sixes better than anyone has ever done, or you can rack up tackles short of the sticks, I’m taking the game changers and a presence that makes premiere QBs avoid half of the field, but Troy is in my top 3. I never saw Lott play live, so I can’t give an edge either way, but I saw both berry and Troy, and Troy to me is clearly the better safety
     
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  8. Lost_In_Translation

    Lost_In_Translation Staff Member Administrator Writer

    Ed was better than Troy. Ed affected the gameplan for opposing coaches far more than Troy did... And Ed still made a massive impact on the game anyways. There's a player like Troy in every era.. There will never be another Reed.

    Not discounting Troy's greatness. He was more marketable and history will probably remember him more for that, but Ed was a better football player
     
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  9. Deebo813

    Deebo813 Ravens Ring of Honor

    Ed reed is def the GOAT... the closest thing to
    Reed is user skills on madden and im nit even kidding. Not even current madden cause they dont let us do it anymore lol. Im Talking pre ps4 and xbox one madden where all the top players would
    Play on the S and legit lurk the field to get ints. You would have to really spot a person’s user S pre snap and make sure you dont throw it his way and even then, sometimes, you would still get baited.
     
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  10. RavensMania

    RavensMania Staff Member Moderator

    I saw Lott play for his entire career and he was one tough ass dude. I think of him like I think of Reed. An unfair advantage, kind of like having an extra man on the field. Lets also not forget that he played CB before converting to S in 1985.

    It's also really hard to compare them because of the generations they played in, but I don't feel one is better than the other. I do believe Troy isn't as good as Rod Woodson though, so he would be in my top 5, but not top 3.
     
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  11. Deebo813

    Deebo813 Ravens Ring of Honor

    I hate to bring up his name, but darren sharper was a beast also
     
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  12. cobrajet

    cobrajet Ravens Ring of Honor

    I agree brother. I was such a huge fan of Ronnie Lott. I thought there would never be another one as good as he was and then Ed Reed came along. I have went back and forth on who was better and I finally decided, who cares, I am just a huge fan of both!
     
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  13. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    Rod Woodson was a corner for most of his career though and converted to safety with the ravens. You can’t really count him among the GOAT safeties just because he didn’t play there long enough
     
  14. RavensMania

    RavensMania Staff Member Moderator

    this is very true. Lott became a Safety in 85 about five years into his 15 year career.
     
  15. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    As great as the convo is can we get this thread back on to the topic of the offseason
     
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  16. Deebo813

    Deebo813 Ravens Ring of Honor

    deebo samuel has been dropping alot of passes in camp..
     
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  17. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    That’s incredibly strange because he had surefire hands
     
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  18. Lost_In_Translation

    Lost_In_Translation Staff Member Administrator Writer

    He had his shares of drops in college too. He had good hands but that was one of his knocks.

    He'll turn into a #1 WR eventually in my eyes, but he has some work to do.
     
  19. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    I can’t recall any drops at all, but I stopped evaluating him back around February so maybe I just forgot
     
  20. Willbacker

    Willbacker Pro Bowler

    As long as you don't come back and say Hollywood is dropping a lot of passes then I"m good.
     
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