The Offseason Thread

[rossihunter2]

Mosley means a lot for our team but he isnt worth top lb money what so ever.. tough spot to be in for ravens but mosley just doesnt offer what luke, wagner, deion or even zach brown has to offer.we also got those up and coming guys from cowboys and raquan smith. Idk man, tough situation.

you're all insane - i thought we got past this towards the end of the year - CJ Mosley is legitimately incredible - he does things that make everyone around him better that you dont even notice until you get to the film - and on top of that he's a great player too

he's not Kuechly and not Wagner either - but to say he's not worth top of the league money when their deals are at least 3 years old is crazy - he'll set the market only for the next decent linebacker to eclipse it (even wagner when he gets a new deal in 2020)

and gtfoh with the deion or zach brown things - they're not even in the same stratosphere as CJ

yet again it appears that the only people around the league who dont appreciate CJ are a subset of our own fanbase

 

[rossihunter2]

No sense bidding against ourselves and last I heard he wants to be highest paid.

But he deserves to be highest paid...

Wagner's deal is 3 years old at 11m/yr
Kuechly's deal is 4 years old and he's still the highest paid at 12.5m/yr

Mosley's deal should eclipse Wagner's due to inflation and tbh probably should eclipse kuechly's due to inflation too

for some context the next highest contracts are Alec Ogletree at 10.5 a year, Bernardrick Mckinney and Eric Kendricks at 10 a year and Mark Barron and Anthony Hitchens at 9 a year

these are all recent contracts for players that are not in the same ball-park as CJ

he's gonna set the market and he deserves to set the market - and most importantly we have the cap space now and moving into the future that we have no excuse not to pay him

 

[Willbacker]

But he deserves to be highest paid...

Wagner's deal is 3 years old at 11m/yr
Kuechly's deal is 4 years old and he's still the highest paid at 12.5m/yr

Mosley's deal should eclipse Wagner's due to inflation and tbh probably should eclipse kuechly's due to inflation too

for some context the next highest contracts are Alec Ogletree at 10.5 a year, Bernardrick Mckinney and Eric Kendricks at 10 a year and Mark Barron and Anthony Hitchens at 9 a year

these are all recent contracts for players that are not in the same ball-park as CJ

he's gonna set the market and he deserves to set the market - and most importantly we have the cap space now and moving into the future that we have no excuse not to pay him

If he deserves to be highest paid then he must be the best? He's a terrible man to man defender and imo not a great blitzer. Lets be frank his only pick came cuz he couldn't get to the QB.

 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

If he deserves to be highest paid then he must be the best? He's a terrible man to man defender and imo not a great blitzer. Lets be frank his only pick came cuz he couldn't get to the QB.

Wait so you're saying his only pick came not from making a great play, reading the QBs eyes, and dropping out of the rush? Ok lol makes sense.

 

[Adreme]

If he deserves to be highest paid then he must be the best? He's a terrible man to man defender and imo not a great blitzer. Lets be frank his only pick came cuz he couldn't get to the QB.

That isn't how contracts work at all. The highest paid isn't always the best, its just the order in which its your turn to get paid.

As long as you are top 5 at your position when you hit FA you will reset the market and the next year someone will reset that.

 

[RavensMania]

We could, but there is no reason to, the nice chunk of cap we have is probably being used to frontload some extensions setting us up for s flexible future, and there is the strongest safety FA class I think I’ve ever seen where we could replace a smart but extremely limited veteran safety, with another smart veteran safety who also brings speed and range. After these primary concerns are addressed, we should have plenty of cap to sign the draft class, make one of our “under the radar” signings, and then pick up some camp cuts.

If we sign Mosley then nobody is leaving this offseason that would get us a good comp pick, unless ZDS somehow gets us more than a 5th. so this would be a good year to go get us a big name or 2. Decosta seems to be set up very nicely in year one.

Tavon Young’s contract is around the same cap hit throughout the life of the contract. That’s probably what they are going to do to keep it manageable.

 

[cdp]

If he deserves to be highest paid then he must be the best? He's a terrible man to man defender and imo not a great blitzer. Lets be frank his only pick came cuz he couldn't get to the QB.

Highest paid doesn't necessarily mean he's the best. Rossi explained it perfectly. Derek Carr was once the highest paid and he was/is by no means a top5/10 guy.
Who do you want to replace him. Kwon but he's coming off an injury and might have lost a step. Then there are more Wills thans Mike's out there. Mlb draft class is also weak.

you're all insane - i thought we got past this towards the end of the year - CJ Mosley is legitimately incredible - he does things that make everyone around him better that you dont even notice until you get to the film - and on top of that he's a great player too

he's not Kuechly and not Wagner either - but to say he's not worth top of the league money when their deals are at least 3 years old is crazy - he'll set the market only for the next decent linebacker to eclipse it (even wagner when he gets a new deal in 2020)

and gtfoh with the deion or zach brown things - they're not even in the same stratosphere as CJ

yet again it appears that the only people around the league who dont appreciate CJ are a subset of our own fanbase

You don't want to argue with the people on twitter that I've been arguing with.
They're literally telling me that Thomas Davis is a perfect 1-2 year replacement.

 

[Deebo813]

you're all insane - i thought we got past this towards the end of the year - CJ Mosley is legitimately incredible - he does things that make everyone around him better that you dont even notice until you get to the film - and on top of that he's a great player too

he's not Kuechly and not Wagner either - but to say he's not worth top of the league money when their deals are at least 3 years old is crazy - he'll set the market only for the next decent linebacker to eclipse it (even wagner when he gets a new deal in 2020)

and gtfoh with the deion or zach brown things - they're not even in the same stratosphere as CJ

yet again it appears that the only people around the league who dont appreciate CJ are a subset of our own fanbase

Deion is for sure a better LB than mosley imo.. just like our defense, falcons d fell apart once that guy go down. Id say zach brown is on the same level as mosley. Mosley means a lot to our team but i think anything over 50 million is too much

 

[Willbacker]

Wait so you're saying his only pick came not from making a great play, reading the QBs eyes, and dropping out of the rush? Ok lol makes sense.

He never dropped out of the rush bro. Seriously. He was stonewalled. I'll stand by my claims that he's terrible on pass defense and is an average blitzer at best. Don't get me wrong that play was bigtime. We were lucky he was stonewalled if you'd like to look at it that way.

That isn't how contracts work at all. The highest paid isn't always the best, its just the order in which its your turn to get paid.

As long as you are top 5 at your position when you hit FA you will reset the market and the next year someone will reset that.

I don't think he's top 5. Kuechly,Wagner,the 2 Dallas ILB's. Hell I even liked that guy from the Rams. I'd have to look thru every roster since I'm not as good at personel as I used to be.

Highest paid doesn't necessarily mean he's the best. Rossi explained it perfectly. Derek Carr was once the highest paid and he was/is by no means a top5/10 guy.
Who do you want to replace him. Kwon but he's coming off an injury and might have lost a step. Then there are more Wills thans Mike's out there. Mlb draft class is also weak.
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My whole thoughts on CJ was the last post on pg 33. All 3 of you guys probally missed it but I'd let the market determine CJ's value. On replacing him lets see if anybody gets released. All the options are not on the table yet.

 

[Adreme]

Posted about Ravens cap situation next year in the mock thread, but I think it works better.

Next year Ravens on paper have 120m in cap, but I think Mosley, Pierce, Yanda, and Stanley will eat about 60m of it (13-14, 15-17, 10-12, 14-15 respectively) especially if frontloaded. Then you got Tucker and his new deal, possible decision on Jimmy, Judon, Boyle/Williams, Dixon, and Snead (and assuming neither Bowser nor TWill step up and you wanna get them early and that they don't want Matt "Heart of a Lion" Skura) and then 16m for 2 drafts.

With all that on table how aggressive should the team be in FA outside of a new FS? Bell might make some of those resignings impossible.

 

[Deebo813]

Posted about Ravens cap situation next year in the mock thread, but I think it works better.

Next year Ravens on paper have 120m in cap, but I think Mosley, Pierce, Yanda, and Stanley will eat about 60m of it (13-14, 15-17, 10-12, 14-15 respectively) especially if frontloaded. Then you got Tucker and his new deal, possible decision on Jimmy, Judon, Boyle/Williams, Dixon, and Snead (and assuming neither Bowser nor TWill step up and you wanna get them early and that they don't want Matt "Heart of a Lion" Skura) and then 16m for 2 drafts.

With all that on table how aggressive should the team be in FA outside of a new FS? Bell might make some of those resignings impossible.

Dam we really have that much cap?

 

[Deebo813]

But he deserves to be highest paid...

Wagner's deal is 3 years old at 11m/yr
Kuechly's deal is 4 years old and he's still the highest paid at 12.5m/yr

Mosley's deal should eclipse Wagner's due to inflation and tbh probably should eclipse kuechly's due to inflation too

for some context the next highest contracts are Alec Ogletree at 10.5 a year, Bernardrick Mckinney and Eric Kendricks at 10 a year and Mark Barron and Anthony Hitchens at 9 a year

these are all recent contracts for players that are not in the same ball-park as CJ

he's gonna set the market and he deserves to set the market - and most importantly we have the cap space now and moving into the future that we have no excuse not to pay him

I forgot those other guys all got 50+... yea mosley def gonna get like 58 maybe 60

 

[RavensMania]

Posted about Ravens cap situation next year in the mock thread, but I think it works better.

Next year Ravens on paper have 120m in cap, but I think Mosley, Pierce, Yanda, and Stanley will eat about 60m of it (13-14, 15-17, 10-12, 14-15 respectively) especially if frontloaded. Then you got Tucker and his new deal, possible decision on Jimmy, Judon, Boyle/Williams, Dixon, and Snead (and assuming neither Bowser nor TWill step up and you wanna get them early and that they don't want Matt "Heart of a Lion" Skura) and then 16m for 2 drafts.

With all that on table how aggressive should the team be in FA outside of a new FS? Bell might make some of those resignings impossible.

Those four plus Tucker are not going to eat up 60m, plus the contracts won’t be front loaded. If the contracts are anything like Tavon Young’s in year two the contracts would basically be the same cap. Stanley will be in his 5th year option and yr one if extended won’t be a high cap number. Due to the CBA coming to an end in 2020, yr 2 of that deal will be when the cap is higher for any of our extended players. Yanda will be at the end of his career and if he wants to continue playing he won’t be getting 10-12 as you suggest. Pierce won’t be getting on Av 15-17 and remember B Will will come off the books in 2020 as well. He could be traded or cut at that point with a good savings.

 

[Willbacker]

Dam we really have that much cap?

Yes a lot of players like Jimmy,Yanda asnd Weddle off the top of my head are entering their final year and with Joe's albatross contract off the books we should have a smokeload of caproom.

 

[Willbacker]

Those four plus Tucker are not going to eat up 60m, plus the contracts won’t be front loaded. If the contracts are anything like Tavon Young’s in year two the contracts would basically be the same cap. Stanley will be in his 5th year option and yr one if extended won’t be a high cap number. Due to the CBA coming to an end in 2020, yr 2 of that deal will be when the cap is higher for any of our extended players. Yanda will be at the end of his career and if he wants to continue playing he won’t be getting 10-12 as you suggest. Pierce won’t be getting on Av 15-17 and remember B Will will come off the books in 2020 as well. He could be traded or cut at that point with a good savings.

That would be 15 mil an avg for those 4 players so I don't see that either. Tucker will get extended for sure. I haven't had a chance to look at Tavon's contract yet but if its flatlined or even close to it I like that business modular a lot more. Id love to work out a deal with the Giants for Odell Beckham

 

[RavensMania]

That would be 15 mil an avg for those 4 players so I don't see that either. Tucker will get extended for sure. I haven't had a chance to look at Tavon's contract yet but if its flatlined or even close to it I like that business modular a lot more. Id love to work out a deal with the Giants for Odell Beckham

Rossi posted it in the offseason thread. Post number 618. 2020 through 2022 is about 8m annual

 

[Willbacker]

Rossi posted it in the offseason thread. Post number 618. 2020 through 2022 is about 8m annual

Unfortunatly I miss some posts. Thanks. Love that contract!!

 

[redrum52]

And given that Weddle is also very likely gone this year and is even less impactful. Who calls the defense then if both are gone? Peanut? Kenny Young? Don't make me laugh. I'm not confident in either as full time starters. Draft Devin White? He's a hell of an athlete but still really raw, especially on the mental side of things? Kwon Alexander? Even coming off of an injury I don't think he simply commands a one year prove it deal. This really isn't a debatable issue, there isn't a notable guy this offseason that's likely to replace him.

Pay C.J. Unlike Brandon Williams he has more uses than just a simple run defender.

There are some safeties I wouldn't mind picking up in FA...

 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

He never dropped out of the rush bro. Seriously. He was stonewalled. I'll stand by my claims that he's terrible on pass defense and is an average blitzer at best. Don't get me wrong that play was bigtime. We were lucky he was stonewalled if you'd like to look at it that way.

I'm not arguing that he's not a below average pass defender by any means. We all can see that. But I think he's just fine as a blitzer and that was a great individual play he made on that 4th down.

 

[rossihunter2]

Posted about Ravens cap situation next year in the mock thread, but I think it works better.

Next year Ravens on paper have 120m in cap, but I think Mosley, Pierce, Yanda, and Stanley will eat about 60m of it (13-14, 15-17, 10-12, 14-15 respectively) especially if frontloaded. Then you got Tucker and his new deal, possible decision on Jimmy, Judon, Boyle/Williams, Dixon, and Snead (and assuming neither Bowser nor TWill step up and you wanna get them early and that they don't want Matt "Heart of a Lion" Skura) and then 16m for 2 drafts.

With all that on table how aggressive should the team be in FA outside of a new FS? Bell might make some of those resignings impossible.

um wat?

you think pierce is getting 15 a year?
+ the cap hits on the first year of the deal are not gonna be as high as the per year average because that's the nature of not having fully guaranteed contracts in the NFL plus an ever increasing cap size

so straight up they wont eat that 60m - also we will be making cuts etc. this year that will impact cap space next year (as well as cap cuts next year too)

i mean we're legit gonna have more cap than we've maybe ever had as an organisation next year - why are people worried that we'll spend a chunk of it retaining our best players? what else is it for?