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The Defence, the Harbaugh, and the Offensive Penalties

Deebo813 said:
Not gonna lie.. it really do look like ronnie stanley false starts every down lol. I can see why a team like kc point that out to refs cause it really does look like a false start.. maybe he is allowed to do that? Idk but it does look like he moves back a little early
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redrum52 said:
Past few years NFL has been terrible calling false starts. And there was one specific 3rd down I think Stanley moved early as hell was surprised refs didn't flag him.
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some of the best OTs in the league (and more and more guys each year develop this technique) have worked to a loophole in the rules that allows you a bit of a head-start within the laws

Lane Johnson is a master at it (and one of the pioneers of using that grey area in the law) - ronnie's started doing it this year too for sure
 
Some brief thoughts:
1. The first quarter is precisely why I stay off social media entirely during games. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
2. Very happy with the way the defense played. Basically one TD allowed in almost 8 quarters against two playoff teams (I'm not putting much credence in the garbage time TD). D might not be dominant and I'm not sure it will be all year, but it has stepped up the last two weeks. Huge test next week.
3. Malik Harrison got eviscerated by his own fanbase all week, and he stepped up. Wasn't a great game, but more than held it together. To the point where I think the Ravens can confidently sit Roquan through the bye week if they choose.
4. Harbaugh's got some set of balls going for it on 4th that deep in your own territory. One of his better coached games.
5. Yes, I do think going for the 2PC up 7 made a lot of sense. I think we somehow called yet another terrible 2PC play. They need to like re-write their 2PC playbook over the bye week, because ours is shit.

On to Philadelphia.
 
rossihunter2 said:
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I hate that people have that narrative be it makes no sense. Outside of 3 situations Lamar has been, almost beyond debate, the best QB in football, certainly over the past 2 years. Unfortunately those situations are: playing the Chiefs, playing the Steelers, and playoff games.

However prime time games are not one of those 3 and Lamar right now is on pace to be the best MNF QB ever. It’s somewhat absurd how good he is in prime time big games and yet despite him dominating these big games with big audiences people still try this narrative.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Some brief thoughts:
1. The first quarter is precisely why I stay off social media entirely during games. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
2. Very happy with the way the defense played. Basically one TD allowed in almost 8 quarters against two playoff teams (I'm not putting much credence in the garbage time TD). D might not be dominant and I'm not sure it will be all year, but it has stepped up the last two weeks. Huge test next week.
3. Malik Harrison got eviscerated by his own fanbase all week, and he stepped up. Wasn't a great game, but more than held it together. To the point where I think the Ravens can confidently sit Roquan through the bye week if they choose.
4. Harbaugh's got some set of balls going for it on 4th that deep in your own territory. One of his better coached games.
5. Yes, I do think going for the 2PC up 7 made a lot of sense. I think we somehow called yet another terrible 2PC play. They need to like re-write their 2PC playbook over the bye week, because ours is shit.

On to Philadelphia.
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Honestly I think Harrison got saved by Dobbins being out, as their rushing attack basically stopped after that and it was working before. If Roquan can’t play I think Barkley easily hits 200.

I hate how the 2pm plays are somehow “everyone shift to the left/right and let’s use only half the field.” It just seems crazy to me. If a play ends up that way great but calling these plays where it slowly drifts one direction is just strange.

I’m also amazed that after 5 comebacks, in many cases large ones, this season that people still freak out after a bad first quarter. Like at some point you would think people would give the team the benefit of the doubt.
 
Adreme said:
Honestly I think Harrison got saved by Dobbins being out, as their rushing attack basically stopped after that and it was working before. If Roquan can’t play I think Barkley easily hits 200.

I hate how the 2pm plays are somehow “everyone shift to the left/right and let’s use only half the field.” It just seems crazy to me. If a play ends up that way great but calling these plays where it slowly drifts one direction is just strange.

I’m also amazed that after 5 comebacks, in many cases large ones, this season that people still freak out after a bad first quarter. Like at some point you would think people would give the team the benefit of the doubt.
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I don' think there's a defense in the NFl that can stop Barkley behind that Oline right now. He's going to get his 150+ total yards, no doubt. But I also don't see him going for multiple 70+ yd TD's untouched like he did against the Rams. Even when our defense was in shambles, tackling wasn't the issue.
 
Adreme said:
Honestly I think Harrison got saved by Dobbins being out, as their rushing attack basically stopped after that and it was working before. If Roquan can’t play I think Barkley easily hits 200.

I hate how the 2pm plays are somehow “everyone shift to the left/right and let’s use only half the field.” It just seems crazy to me. If a play ends up that way great but calling these plays where it slowly drifts one direction is just strange.

I’m also amazed that after 5 comebacks, in many cases large ones, this season that people still freak out after a bad first quarter. Like at some point you would think people would give the team the benefit of the doubt.
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OK but its not just the linebackers job to stop the run. If a back is getting 200 yards, then the Dline basically has to be getting dominated. And frankly, in order for that to happen, Orr is sitting back in either Nickel or Dime and not making adjustments. That's not happening. I think Barkley will get his, but he's not running for 200 against good Ds.

I think that's why we were so successful running the ball. Even Belichick called it out. Chargers don't play a lot of base 3-4. They're Nickel and Dime pretty much all the time. In that scheme, teams should be able to run the ball. That defense is smaller in nature anyway, as they've built their defense to defend the pass and be athletic against teams like the Chiefs, who have a lot of speed. We are a matchup problem for them. They had similar issues with Pittsburgh and other power running teams.

I think the "panic" came from the ease at which the Chargers went right down the field for a TD. Set off alarm bells about the struggles with the defense. Once Roman didn't have scripted plays anymore, it became a lot harder.
 
Baltimorican said:
I don' think there's a defense in the NFl that can stop Barkley behind that Oline right now. He's going to get his 150+ total yards, no doubt. But I also don't see him going for multiple 70+ yd TD's untouched like he did against the Rams. Even when our defense was in shambles, tackling wasn't the issue.
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I'll be honest... my biggest concern isn't Barkley. He'll do fine, but I think we're going to play a lot more base or big Nickel and try to take him away.
My concern is the frequency by which we'll play man coverage against guys like Smith and Brown, who are man coverage eaters. If you're loading the box to stop the run, there's a LOT of one-on-one matchups that favor them in the passing game. That'll be the challenge.
 
Deebo813 said:
You know its actually crazy how many prime time games we have had with lamar and the fact that we win majority of them and he performs well is wild.. with that being said, how do people like nick wright and other analyst and fans can sit there, watch the game and really convince themselves that he doesnt win big games or he isnt a top qb.. shit like that, regardless of who its, idgaf if its a gm or former player, but that lets me know that people are just haters waiting for him to fail or they simply dont understand what theyre watching..
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he's 20-5 in Prime Time games. That is the best record of any qb in prime time. Steve Young is 2nd, Kenny Stabler is 3rd and Joe Montana is 4th. That graphic was listed yesterday after the game....he's in good company.
 
Seen someone post the rushing stats. If i hadn't seen that never would have known Saquon has 2 more attempts in 1 less game
 
The defense is so bad, the Chargers stopped themselves just as often as we stopped them. Quinton Johnson is still running he could ever catch a pass. Props to Harbs and his giant balls for the 4th and 1 at his own 16
 
Deebo813 said:
You know its actually crazy how many prime time games we have had with lamar and the fact that we win majority of them and he performs well is wild.. with that being said, how do people like nick wright and other analyst and fans can sit there, watch the game and really convince themselves that he doesnt win big games or he isnt a top qb.. shit like that, regardless of who its, idgaf if its a gm or former player, but that lets me know that people are just haters waiting for him to fail or they simply dont understand what theyre watching..
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So it really just comes down to... what is a "big game"? It's completely arbitrary.
Like primetime stats are great, but if we played the 2-8 Giants on primetime, is that considered a "big game" just because its in primetime? Most of these primetime games are selected many months in advance and often don't reflect nearly as much significance as they were intended to. Hence why the NFL started allowing flexing of primetime games.

That being said... we know playoff games are big games. I think most games that involve division rivals or against high-end competition in your own conference, i.e. for seeding, homefield, etc. are big games. And in a lot of those spots, Lamar has been great.

I think Nick Wright's arbitrary definition of "big games" is too narrow. He's only referencing playoff games, and now has widened it to reflect only Steeler games. Why he did that, I have no idea.

As most smart people would tell you, there's a ton of regular season games that are "big games" because if you don't win enough of them, there are no playoff games, which means then you won't have the opportunity to play in any "big games". One is predicated on the other.

I don't think Lamar consistently plays great or terrible in any "big games". I think its purely situational. The only common denominator I see is that Lamar will generally play worse against good defenses who are used to playing against him frequently, which in this case, would be the Steelers and the Chiefs. That's an issue that nobody could argue.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
OK but its not just the linebackers job to stop the run. If a back is getting 200 yards, then the Dline basically has to be getting dominated. And frankly, in order for that to happen, Orr is sitting back in either Nickel or Dime and not making adjustments. That's not happening. I think Barkley will get his, but he's not running for 200 against good Ds.

I think that's why we were so successful running the ball. Even Belichick called it out. Chargers don't play a lot of base 3-4. They're Nickel and Dime pretty much all the time. In that scheme, teams should be able to run the ball. That defense is smaller in nature anyway, as they've built their defense to defend the pass and be athletic against teams like the Chiefs, who have a lot of speed. We are a matchup problem for them. They had similar issues with Pittsburgh and other power running teams.

I think the "panic" came from the ease at which the Chargers went right down the field for a TD. Set off alarm bells about the struggles with the defense. Once Roman didn't have scripted plays anymore, it became a lot harder.
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I fully expect to see the DLine get dominated. If they try to go all in on stomping Barkely, with a pass defense that is honestly still bad, then you are going to hear a lot of the following from the announcers "AJ Brown for 20 yards. Brandon Stephens in coverage". The pass defense is still bad. We need to abandon the notion that the Ravens are a good D this year because they are not. Without Williams playing S they are no longer the worst pass defense in football but they are not a good defense. If Roquan does not play I expect a lot of those 4-6 yard runs to be getting 10-12 yards, because they cant commit to stopping the run, the way they would want to, when AJ Brown is able to be on that field and that is ignoring D Smith who is also a very very good WR.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So it really just comes down to... what is a "big game"? It's completely arbitrary.
Like primetime stats are great, but if we played the 2-8 Giants on primetime, is that considered a "big game" just because its in primetime? Most of these primetime games are selected many months in advance and often don't reflect nearly as much significance as they were intended to. Hence why the NFL started allowing flexing of primetime games.

That being said... we know playoff games are big games. I think most games that involve division rivals or against high-end competition in your own conference, i.e. for seeding, homefield, etc. are big games. And in a lot of those spots, Lamar has been great.

I think Nick Wright's arbitrary definition of "big games" is too narrow. He's only referencing playoff games, and now has widened it to reflect only Steeler games. Why he did that, I have no idea.

As most smart people would tell you, there's a ton of regular season games that are "big games" because if you don't win enough of them, there are no playoff games, which means then you won't have the opportunity to play in any "big games". One is predicated on the other.

I don't think Lamar consistently plays great or terrible in any "big games". I think its purely situational. The only common denominator I see is that Lamar will generally play worse against good defenses who are used to playing against him frequently, which in this case, would be the Steelers and the Chiefs. That's an issue that nobody could argue.
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You can actually say he plays consistently good in big games biggest he wins them. Mahommes nor steelers qb plays great in big yet they win them vs us or whomever they play and thats only thing that people remember the W and L. Last night was indeed a big game and we won just like most our primetime games! Our team as a whole plays bad vs steelers and kc, its not just lamar but that seem to not matter. Nick wright just hater and thats cool because its part of his job and his job isnt based on how much accurate info he spits out
 
Adreme said:
I fully expect to see the DLine get dominated. If they try to go all in on stomping Barkely, with a pass defense that is honestly still bad, then you are going to hear a lot of the following from the announcers "AJ Brown for 20 yards. Brandon Stephens in coverage". The pass defense is still bad. We need to abandon the notion that the Ravens are a good D this year because they are not. Without Williams playing S they are no longer the worst pass defense in football but they are not a good defense. If Roquan does not play I expect a lot of those 4-6 yard runs to be getting 10-12 yards, because they cant commit to stopping the run, the way they would want to, when AJ Brown is able to be on that field and that is ignoring D Smith who is also a very very good WR.
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Right. I expect they'll give up yardage and look to clamp down in the red zone and when the field gets shorter. That's what they've been effective at the last two weeks.
 
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