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2018 Offseason Training

rossihunter2

rossihunter2

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Lost_In_Translation said:
I don't think he should be playing OLB all the time. He's a swiss army knife type. Using him should allow the defense to be unpredictable.

I think he should be the "starter" at ILB.. Not necessarily have all the responsibilities of that position though. Some plays you blitz the guy up the middle. Others you send him into coverage. You can also put him on the edge.

Again.. USE HIM FOR FUCKS SAKE. Stop this dumbass doghouse shit we do. Player's aren't going to learn from their mistakes being punished by being not allowed to play. That's not how it works.
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He's a guy I want on the field for sure but I want him at Edge and if he's dropping in coverage i want him to drop from Edge - he's more natural covering from that spot and he's a much more natural edge defender when rushing and defending the run than he is plugging the hole from ILB

I'm cool with us using him in unconventional ways but I want him predominantly lined up at the LoS and not set up as an off-ball linebacker

Ideally I want to see various fronts with multiple guys lined up around the LoS like we did a lot with our dime package last year - it's so much harder for the QB to read the defence when you've got guys stood up along the LoS all across your vision - the perfect situation would be having all our EDGE guys at a level where we can situationally rotate guys in without telegraphing our defence - we have Sizzle, Judon and Tyus who can all drop effectively into coverage from that Edge spot, we've got Sizzle, Judon and ZDS who can set the edge at a high level vs the run and keep contain, we've got Judon, Tyus and ZDS who've shown the ability to penetrate vs the interior of the OL and get inside pressure, we've got Tyus and Timmy who both have the ability to beat a tackle outside with their speed off the line

that's the perfect scenario

I absolutely want Tyus on the field but i think it seriously limits his potential if he's the "starter" at ILB because his responsibilities change in that spot
 
cdp

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Apparently they changed the offensive line Hurst @ LG Lewis @C and Brown @RT.
What do you think of playing Yanda @C? He knows the protection calls and has helped with the snap count in the past.
 
rossihunter2

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cdp said:
Apparently they changed the offensive line Hurst @ LG Lewis @C and Brown @RT.
What do you think of playing Yanda @C? He knows the protection calls and has helped with the snap count in the past.
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if Lewis can play C then im absolutely happy with Stanley Hurst Lewis Yanda Brown along the line left to right - i know we'd rather someone else beat out both hurst and skura but if we end up with a starting oline that only includes 1 of them then its going to be a pretty good oline
 
allblackraven

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rossihunter2 said:
haha - its a good call - it suggests that the coaching staff already are fans of Orlando Brown at right tackle though which is an immense positive if that continues

also suggests the coaching staff arent fans of skura at all
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I think they're fine with Skura as a backup C and Siragusa as a backup G. Move Hurst outside in case of injuries.
 
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allblackraven said:
I think they're fine with Skura as a backup C and Siragusa as a backup G. Move Hurst outside in case of injuries.
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Hurst should be banned from playing outside. He is AWFUL at it and is so bad at times I wonder if they would be better off just having a TE be the backup T. He should play inside and only inside because then he will not get the QB killed.
 
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people called hurst trash last season and that he shouldnt be in the nfl. Next thing you know, he plays very well that next season.. people called lewis trash soon as he got injured, but from what i saw his rookie season playing next to a rookie LT and terrible C, he player pretty decent. People here also bashed brown right after combine but soon as we draft the whole narrative changed lol. other than watching them allow sacks i really dont know how to observe olineman so i look for my boys here for info, but some of you dont know shit neither just like me.
 
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Deebo813 said:
people called hurst trash last season and that he shouldnt be in the nfl. Next thing you know, he plays very well that next season.. people called lewis trash soon as he got injured, but from what i saw his rookie season playing next to a rookie LT and terrible C, he player pretty decent. People here also bashed brown right after combine but soon as we draft the whole narrative changed lol. other than watching them allow sacks i really dont know how to observe olineman so i look for my boys here for info, but some of you dont know shit neither just like me.
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Hurst was still awful when he had to play T last season. He was acceptable as a guard, maybe even average to above average but he is an awful T.
 
JoeyFlex5

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Deebo813 said:
people called hurst trash last season and that he shouldnt be in the nfl. Next thing you know, he plays very well that next season.. people called lewis trash soon as he got injured, but from what i saw his rookie season playing next to a rookie LT and terrible C, he player pretty decent. People here also bashed brown right after combine but soon as we draft the whole narrative changed lol. other than watching them allow sacks i really dont know how to observe olineman so i look for my boys here for info, but some of you dont know shit neither just like me.
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well hurst doesnt deserve to play OT in the nfl, hes fucking horrid at it, but he is a decent G, so thats a bit of a wash.

alex lewis was solid, no question, most here wont argue it, BUT some of us(myself included) are more fond of a low and powerful guard than a tall lean guard, lewis was solid and a stonewall in pass pro and even his biggest haters probably wouldnt deny that, but he had leverage issues in the run game and didnt appear to be the fleetest of foot.

brown had a historically bad combine, and 32 teams passed him multiple times as he tumbled from a mid first to a third rounder, so clearly we werent the only ones who had a problem with it. and for me, the combine results had shit to do with athleticism or ability and were all about a lack of work ethic. before his work ethic came into question which was a direct result of a bombed combine and only slightly better pro day(he actually worked in between those days apparently) i wouldve been ok with him in the first, which is where he almost certainly goes.

all 3 of these examples are pretty weak ones lol.
 
DeVito52

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Adreme said:
Hurst should be banned from playing outside. He is AWFUL at it and is so bad at times I wonder if they would be better off just having a TE be the backup T. He should play inside and only inside because then he will not get the QB killed.
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You can hate on him all you want but isn’t the only reason he injured Flacco because he tripped over a player on the ground? He’s not a good T but still.
 
Jacquouille

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Deebo813 said:
people called hurst trash last season and that he shouldnt be in the nfl. Next thing you know, he plays very well that next season.. people called lewis trash soon as he got injured, but from what i saw his rookie season playing next to a rookie LT and terrible C, he player pretty decent. People here also bashed brown right after combine but soon as we draft the whole narrative changed lol. other than watching them allow sacks i really dont know how to observe olineman so i look for my boys here for info, but some of you dont know shit neither just like me.
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Appreciate the honesty aha!
A lot of fair questions from your part and I'll try to answer them.
Hurst has been a horrible OT throughout his career but his work ethic is top notch and there is no reason to believe he can't have improved. Last preseason he was great at the position, let's not forget that. So at the very least he can be a decent backup there. Still when the season came on I was super skeptical about him as a OG, but biy did he prove me wrong. When I watched the tape this summer to analyze the OL, here's what I came awqy for each player:
-Ronnie was blasted by injuries but still a solid LT.
-Skura was better than people thought, although he had some lapses.
-Jensen was good. No more no less. Not a mauler to be clear.
-Hurst was as good as Jensen no doubt.
-Howard was terrible.

To be clear I'd be very satisfied with Hurst as my starting RG. He can make all the blocks, can pull (thus is a great help for Roman) and is mentally sound. He's not a Pro Bowler but he's worth his salary no doubt.

I'll answer about Brown when I have more time, am at work atm.
 
Jacquouille

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Deebo813 said:
people called hurst trash last season and that he shouldnt be in the nfl. Next thing you know, he plays very well that next season.. people called lewis trash soon as he got injured, but from what i saw his rookie season playing next to a rookie LT and terrible C, he player pretty decent. People here also bashed brown right after combine but soon as we draft the whole narrative changed lol. other than watching them allow sacks i really dont know how to observe olineman so i look for my boys here for info, but some of you dont know shit neither just like me.
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So, about Brown. He's one of the most interesting prospects in recent memory. Not even including the historical combine, his tape is one of the strangest to evaluate.
His good is sky high jaw dropping fucken elite. But he's got a lot to learn. Quick rundown:
-Always worked in a two point stance. He'll have to work a ton to learn other stances that we use a lot more.
-Overall his pass set can be corrected. It's not that it's completely bad, but there's a lot of little things to correct.
-Mentally he needs to be more ready and know what his opponents throw at him. He's too much into reaction rather than anticipation.

So yeah, a lot of things to coach. BUT. When he touches you, you're done. Out of the picture. Sayonara. It's that simple.

He's the best run blocking prospect at te position in this class. McGlinchey was up there too but Brown was curiously asjed to execute more blocks and he did at an elite level every time. You look at the Georgia game, what he did to Roquan Smith is straight up dirty.

And that's why I'm excited. Maybe he'll be a bad pass protector. Won't change from Howard. But he 100% will be a killer in our scheme as a run blocker. Will change A LOT from Howard.

So it's an automatic upgrade in my book and if you think Collins was good last year, wait to see what he looks like with two elite bookend paving the way.
 
Sami84

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Jacquouille said:
Appreciate the honesty aha!
A lot of fair questions from your part and I'll try to answer them.
Hurst has been a horrible OT throughout his career but his work ethic is top notch and there is no reason to believe he can't have improved. Last preseason he was great at the position, let's not forget that. So at the very least he can be a decent backup there. Still when the season came on I was super skeptical about him as a OG, but biy did he prove me wrong. When I watched the tape this summer to analyze the OL, here's what I came awqy for each player:
-Ronnie was blasted by injuries but still a solid LT.
-Skura was better than people thought, although he had some lapses.
-Jensen was good. No more no less. Not a mauler to be clear.
-Hurst was as good as Jensen no doubt.
-Howard was terrible.

To be clear I'd be very satisfied with Hurst as my starting RG. He can make all the blocks, can pull (thus is a great help for Roman) and is mentally sound. He's not a Pro Bowler but he's worth his salary no doubt.

I'll answer about Brown when I have more time, am at work atm.
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hurst was not as good as jensen
howard wasn't terrible. He was solid.
 
JoeyFlex5

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I worry about browns transition more than anything, pass blocking in that spread is strange, incomplete dropbacks and constant combo blocks in pass pro raise the same concerns that some had with laremy tunsil and have proven to be a big hurdle for him. He had a very similar repertoire in pass pro to tunsils.

That said, brown has length and strength that simply lets him overcome so many technical or athletic deficiencies, he can be way short on his kickstep and not square with the rusher and still eliminate the rush entirely with one good punch to reroute slightly and give himself time to recover, and those arms keep rushers from ever being able to bullrush, can't get in the tackles chest if your hands are 3+ inches away, and any gap between he and the guard is easily walled off again due to his arms.

The biggest thing about brown is simply his arm length and raw power, if he reaches his top physical form and technique he is an all pro, easily. The work ethic is a concern though
 
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