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Lamar Jackson

RavensFan419

Pro Bowler
weddle also came out though after the game and said we have our identity now - if we were to go back to joe our offence completely changes (and our defence likely plays different too)
He said identity on defense if you listen to the entire press conference he goes on to talk about playing different downs different ways on D that quote has been taken out of context he never said anything about the team only the D
 
I agree with this and the threat of us passing gives us more of an edge with Joe as the starter
If I thought the passing that Flacco wold give us would be top notch, yeah, but I'm not sure why we think that's what we'll get. Despite the high-flying aerial attacks that we see dominating the league (which we don't have) there is nothing more demoralizing when a team is going to run the ball, you know it and you can't stop it. Your defense feeds off that and the opponents D gets ground to dust.

But I understand the concern. We have been able to run at will against the teams we've played over the past 3 weeks and I think that will remain the case for the next 2. There will come a time when we face a D that will stop the run if they know it is coming and Lamar is going to need to capitalize on an opponent keying on the run.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
That may be, but RGIII destroyed his hopes of being the dynamic player he was envisioned to be by diving forward in the face of one speeding mack truck named Ngata. That should have ended his season but instead the Skins decided to continue to play him so it could ruin his career.
Well he had a grade 1 Lcl sprain. It was in the Seahawks game where he was playing well and the skins were about to go up 14-0 when he sprained it again and then tore his acl at the end of the game. None of his injuries came on zone read plays. Normally when he was scrambling and one when he was rolling out and was pushed out of bounds
 

UPennChem

Hall of Famer
Okay, I'd like to give my take on this discussion and I am genuinely interested in hearing your guys' opinions on it. Lamar has transformed the running game and that's great! He commands respect every single play. This has elevated the play of the offensive line and the running backs. During his three games, he's shown that he will miss some passes we hoped he wouldn't, but he also made almost every type of throw at least once showing he can do it, but he's just inconsistent at this point. What I think this means however is that any defense which is better against the run will cause many of the plays that are going for 6 or 7 yards to go for 1 or 2. This may put more pressure on Lamar to use his arm to beat them. Now I'm not saying that Lamar can't do that, not at all, but I wouldn't be confident that he could. We've seen the first half of his last 2 games, which I blame M**** for, but it's reminded me of when Joe was playing because we could only do one thing, pass and not run. When M**** forced too many passes which weren't working, Lamar made mistakes and the game was close. When he had Joe and the run wasn't working, we saw added pressure on Joe and then he made mistakes. Now I know I'm stating the obvious, but you need both. I think we all kinda overlook that this isn't Lamar vs Joe completely independently. We have been using both heavily when both healthy. I do not expect that stop no matter who is starting. I honestly could see Lamar starting and having us bring in Flacco situationally. Or back to what we were doing before. I don't think THIS YEAR, either can do both and so to have our best shot at the playoffs, I think we need to use both.
 

RaineV1

Ravens Ring of Honor
At the level they're playing at now? HELL no! At best, it'd be slightly better than what the running game was with Flacco earlier on the season.
And how do you figure this? The RBs we're using now didn't even play when Flacco was in earlier this season.
 

JAAM

Hall of Famer
And how do you figure this? The RBs we're using now didn't even play when Flacco was in earlier this season.
Because defenders have to watch Lamar at all times and all it takes is a split second for them to try and contain the edges which opens up the middle for Gus and Dixon. No one is worried about Flacco running.
 

RaineV1

Ravens Ring of Honor
Because defenders have to watch Lamar at all times and all it takes is a split second for them to try and contain the edges which opens up the middle for Gus and Dixon. No one is worried about Flacco running.
And yet we've had successful run games before during the Flacco years. Forsett had a five yard average in 2014. Let's not pretend that it's a brand new thing that the Ravens can suddenly run now that there's a running QB. Just last year Collins average nearly five yards a carry.
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
And yet we've had successful run games before during the Flacco years. Forsett had a five yard average in 2014. Let's not pretend that it's a brand new thing that the Ravens can suddenly run now that there's a running QB.
I won't take away the 2014 run game....or the 2014 offense for that matter because we had a top 10 scoring offense that year. But what happened the following season? Our running game wasn't that impressive (edit. worse than I thought. We finished 26th.). Same thing for 2016 when we actually attempted to run (fuck you Trestman). Hell, M***y had his own problems with this (edit: worse than I thought again. We finished 28th.). 2017? Collins came through and we finished 11th. 2018....well it hasn't been good to start the season.

I've been very impressed with Gus's running style, but it doesn't look like he has that home run speed. Perhaps, but has he broken off a big play run? Same with Dixon. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think our running game will look the same with Flacco at the helm.
 

cobrajet

Hall of Famer
Because defenders have to watch Lamar at all times and all it takes is a split second for them to try and contain the edges which opens up the middle for Gus and Dixon. No one is worried about Flacco running.
I agree, I think with Lamar in the game the defense has to account for the fact that he is going to keep the ball, therefore have to track what he is doing. With Flacco being no threat, it is much easier just to close in on the running back. Lamar definitely creates better opportunities for the run game. I want to keep that train running, so I am a supporter of sticking with Lamar as our Quarterback.
 

Tru11

Practice Squad
And yet we've had successful run games before during the Flacco years. Forsett had a five yard average in 2014. Let's not pretend that it's a brand new thing that the Ravens can suddenly run now that there's a running QB. Just last year Collins average nearly five yards a carry.

Not once in flacco career have the ravens avg over 200 yards a game running the ball.
 

cdp

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Not once in flacco career have the ravens avg over 200 yards a game running the ball.
you mean over a 3 games right? In 2009 against Detroit, the Bears and Steelers we avergaged 202yards. the next game vs Oakland they rushed again for 246 yards. I'm not team flacco, but just saying.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
Y’all wanna know who the most dangerous playmaker on this team is....

Lamar Jackson.

What do teams do to the most dangerous playmaker? They overcompensate for their mere presence.
And yet we've had successful run games before during the Flacco years. Forsett had a five yard average in 2014. Let's not pretend that it's a brand new thing that the Ravens can suddenly run now that there's a running QB. Just last year Collins average nearly five yards a carry.
forsett was a kubiak product. Ray rice was an all pro talent and maybe the 2nd best rb of his era, our OL was one of, if not the best run blocking unit for most of Ray Rice’s time here as well. If 5YPC Alex Collins lost his job this year to a UDFA, don’t you think that means very bad things rather than “we ran it before let’s try again”?

This is a different ravens that can’t run the ball conventionally.
 

Tru11

Practice Squad
you mean over a 3 games right? In 2009 against Detroit, the Bears and Steelers we avergaged 202yards. the next game vs Oakland they rushed again for 246 yards. I'm not team flacco, but just saying.

I meant every game.
 

3-4ravdef509

Practice Squad
I would equally have problems with a white quarterback running a zone read heavy run offense. So let it be clear my bias is just football related.

It just seems to me a substitute for actually building a good offense. This works well enough against probably even average defenses. If it works long term I guess I’ll get over the high school look/feel of it. But if you think my skepticism is irrational bias I would suggest you have an equal and opposite bias. We don’t know.
 

3-4ravdef509

Practice Squad
And I just can’t equate running ability with quarterbacking without an asterisk of Mobile, running, or whatever you want to label it as. It’s not pure/real quarterbacking.
 

RL52TheGreatest

Ravens Ring of Honor
Y’all wanna know who the most dangerous playmaker on this team is....

Lamar Jackson.

What do teams do to the most dangerous playmaker? They overcompensate for their mere presence.

This right here is the key difference with the run game when Lamar is in opposed to Flacco. With Lamar in the game, the backers have to wait to see what Lamar is going to do before they can commit to stopping the run and that slight hesitation can be all the difference in getting a couple of yards or turning that couple of yards into chunks of 5 or 6 (which is what we've seen numerous times in Lamar's 3 games). Not to say that we can't run the ball with Flacco in the game, but no one is going to care if Flacco tries to scramble and then the defense can just devote all their attention to stopping the RBs.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
And yet we've had successful run games before during the Flacco years. Forsett had a five yard average in 2014. Let's not pretend that it's a brand new thing that the Ravens can suddenly run now that there's a running QB. Just last year Collins average nearly five yards a carry.
We also had a very good offensive line in 2014. Let’s not compare previous yrs to this year.
 

Sami84

Ravens Ring of Honor
Lamar doesn't need to do much aside from not miss horrificly like he did yesterday when brown was as open as could be and with ample time and space. That wasn't acceptable and i have a limit of '' my bad'' excuses for such ineptitude. High school QB's could have thrown brown open on that play.
 

3-4ravdef509

Practice Squad
Lamar doesn't need to do much aside from not miss horrificly like he did yesterday when brown was as open as could be and with ample time and space. That wasn't acceptable and i have a limit of '' my bad'' excuses for such ineptitude. High school QB's could have thrown brown open on that play.

Yeah... and you aren’t even a pro Joe guy and haven’t ever been from my memory.

Lamar is exciting but his passing isn’t great past like ten yards
 
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