Lamar Jackson

[3-4ravdef509]

that's why i gave you tarik cohen as an example - he's electric and has more snaps as a receiver than as a pure rusher but is 100% a running back and still has 74 carries and 59 receptions this year - he is 100% primarily a route runner as a running back

christian mccaffrey has diversified but ultimately he was drafted as a running back to be a receiver

guys like james white/dion lewis/jerrick mckinnon/ty montgomery are weapons because they are receivers as running backs - it was the same with danny woodhead when he was here (or anywhere)

Right. So I’m not saying Lamar isn’t a quarterback and that he’s actually a running back. I’m just saying there’s a deviation , he’s more an anomaly and it’s a grey area. It’s like when the Saints had a tight end who primarily lined up at receiver and it became an issue when they wanted to franchise tag him. If you’re position is a tight end but you hardly ever block and line up at receiver a signicant portion of your snaps, it’s not black and white anymore to say you’re a pure tight end

 

[RavensMania]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

and how many times since 2016 has Flacco brought us back to win in the 4th qtr.

 

[RavensMania]

Lamar easily. All we need is to get into FG range for the GOAT and I know that Lamar isn't going to be casually trotting to the line when we have no timeouts.

since he has already done this to end the half

 

[JoeyFlex5]

since he has already done this to end the half

2 out of 3 games so far actually

 

[RavensMania]

2 out of 3 games so far actually

exactly

 

[allblackraven]

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Leave it to the only trusted source of analytics and statistics to not parrot mobile qb cliches and actually speak the truth about lamars mental capacity as a qb from the pocket.

He is legitimately a different breed. The most athletic qb of all time who genuinely tries his hardest to become a pocket passer.

I don’t think he’s ever gonna become consistently accurate, but at this point, I honestly think he’s a franchise qb in the making, he might not become who we fully want until year 3 or 4 but I’m convinced he gets there, his desire and work ethic is too strong and his football iq as a qb and overall refinement(aside from release mechanics) is just excellent.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Leave it to the only trusted source of analytics and statistics to not parrot mobile qb cliches and actually speak the truth about lamars mental capacity as a qb from the pocket.

He is legitimately a different breed. The most athletic qb of all time who genuinely tries his hardest to become a pocket passer.

I don’t think he’s ever gonna become consistently accurate, but at this point, I honestly think he’s a franchise qb in the making, he might not become who we fully want until year 3 or 4 but I’m convinced he gets there, his desire and work ethic is too strong and his football iq as a qb and overall refinement(aside from release mechanics) is just excellent.

But... but... The wonderlic

 

[JoeyFlex5]

But... but... The wonderlic

BUSTOUT

 

[RavensMania]

But... but... The wonderlic

But...but... Manning...Leaf

 

[Grim]

Leave it to the only trusted source of analytics and statistics to not parrot mobile qb cliches and actually speak the truth about lamars mental capacity as a qb from the pocket.

He is legitimately a different breed. The most athletic qb of all time who genuinely tries his hardest to become a pocket passer.

I don’t think he’s ever gonna become consistently accurate, but at this point, I honestly think he’s a franchise qb in the making, he might not become who we fully want until year 3 or 4 but I’m convinced he gets there, his desire and work ethic is too strong and his football iq as a qb and overall refinement(aside from release mechanics) is just excellent.

He can become accurate with enough work. I think he could become consistently accurate but they all depends on him. He has to put in the world to do it and I’m talking all day every week including summer. He needs to go to a QB camp or three and have good coaching.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

He can become accurate with enough work. I think he could become consistently accurate but they all depends on him. He has to put in the world to do it and I’m talking all day every week including summer. He needs to go to a QB camp or three and have good coaching.

He can, I just don’t know if he will. It’s encouraging that he rebuilt his mechanics and has improved dramatically since preseason, however I do see a lot of half assed motions where he goes all arm, he does with with a wider base now, and consistently, but he’s not always stepping in and is often using the elbow whip motion, and he has missed some throws badly, actually worse than I anticipated, because in college he appeared to be more consistently accurate than he is right now, which is and isn’t encouraging because it shows that the new mechanics is currently affecting his accuracy, so it could improve, but his arm could possibly be just inaccurate

 

[rossihunter2]

Leave it to the only trusted source of analytics and statistics to not parrot mobile qb cliches and actually speak the truth about lamars mental capacity as a qb from the pocket.

He is legitimately a different breed. The most athletic qb of all time who genuinely tries his hardest to become a pocket passer.

I don’t think he’s ever gonna become consistently accurate, but at this point, I honestly think he’s a franchise qb in the making, he might not become who we fully want until year 3 or 4 but I’m convinced he gets there, his desire and work ethic is too strong and his football iq as a qb and overall refinement(aside from release mechanics) is just excellent.

Look at Cam - he only needs to have a completion percentage of around 60% to be an effective and dangerous qb because of what he does - i think that's a good ballpark number for Lamar to be aiming to be above - obviously there's context to those situations but as a wide-ranging stat i think that's a good indicator of his progress in season 2

 

[RavensMania]

Look at Cam - he only needs to have a completion percentage of around 60% to be an effective and dangerous qb because of what he does - i think that's a good ballpark number for Lamar to be aiming to be above - obviously there's context to those situations but as a wide-ranging stat i think that's a good indicator of his progress in season 2

Isn’t 60% what Flacco’s career completion percentage is?

 

[rossihunter2]

Isn’t 60% what Flacco’s career completion percentage is?

61.7% as of right now i think
Cam Newton: 59.7 for his career (but amazingly 69.5 this year)
Russell Wilson: 64.3
Deshaun Watson: 64.8
Dak Prescott: 65.7
Michael Vick: 56.7

 

[Grim]

He can, I just don’t know if he will. It’s encouraging that he rebuilt his mechanics and has improved dramatically since preseason, however I do see a lot of half assed motions where he goes all arm, he does with with a wider base now, and consistently, but he’s not always stepping in and is often using the elbow whip motion, and he has missed some throws badly, actually worse than I anticipated, because in college he appeared to be more consistently accurate than he is right now, which is and isn’t encouraging because it shows that the new mechanics is currently affecting his accuracy, so it could improve, but his arm could possibly be just inaccurate

I don’t like wondering whether he will it won’t but I go by whether he can or cannot. Some guys you can tell they cannot but he’s shown he can. Whether he will is beyond my ability to predict. If he dedicates himself I believe he will an if not then he won’t.

 

[rossihunter2]

i just got around to watching this lol
and i know they started to say some nice(ish) things about lamar but ultimately my biggest takeaway is that their grading system is so flawed

according to PFF the ravens as an offence have a much better rushing grade as a team with joe flacco in stead of lamar - which is evidently and quite obviously absurd

they did have an interesting graphic about how lamar is a better qb when he gets to his 2nd read as a passer - the longer he reads the field and the more reads he gets through the better his accuracy

which would suggest to me we actually want to run fewer RPOs as a team because it limits the reading lamar can do as a passer in those situations - it would suggest we maintain the zone-read but reduce the run-pass options in favour of more boots/called play-action/pocket passing plays

their best point though was recognising that lamar is not really like any of the mobile qbs we've ever seen in the league before because of the way he looks downfield and looks to pass

 

[balfan23]

And how do you figure this? The RBs we're using now didn't even play when Flacco was in earlier this season.

It’s also based on the differential in the success our RBs had when Lamar was under center during the time that Flacco was starting. It was significant.

 

[DeVito52]

28-28 2:00 minutes left on the clock you score you win what QB are you sending out there to finish the game

Well if Flacco can put together a drive like at the end of the saints game then sure I’d take him. But he’s just as likely to not do that...

Jackson could probably get us the 30-40 yards that tucker needs with his legs alone...

 

[DeVito52]

their best point though was recognising that lamar is not really like any of the mobile qbs we've ever seen in the league before because of the way he looks downfield and looks to pass

Haven’t watched the video yet - what exactly do you mean by this? No mobile qb has ever looked downfield and looked to pass like he does? Does Russel Wilson not exist? Just to name one