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Free Agency 2019
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Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
1. Just because a punch of other teams made worse decisions than ours doesn’t mean that our decision wasn’t inherently bad. Sorry guys, that’s not a valid argument at all. It’s bullshit rationalization. If that’s the market, you just don’t participate. Having Nick Boyle isn’t going to make or break next season at all. Find another blocking TE for cheaper. They might not be as good, but again, if you’re relying on your blocking TE that much, something is seriously wrong. You should be spending that money elsewhere like idk.... the oline.
Doesn’t work in the real world. It’s still money that is spent poorly. It’s why we’ve historically been behind cap wise. Contracts like this for players that aren’t worth paying screw the future cap and the rollover cap. It’s why the Jets and co have insane amounts of money. THATS NOT ARGUABLE. Get that through your heads.
2. Idc if Hock is only slightly underpaid. Hock is going to be a better player if he’s healthy. So yes that’s a lot of money.
3. Boyle is a good football player. Not saying he isn’t. But he doesn’t make or break the offense. But yes, that’s too much money to give to someone who’s value really isn’t much. “But this team”, isn’t a valid argument to me because if you’re using him that much you should be using your money to fix the other problems on the team. “We aren’t going to get the same from a rookie”. Again, If we are expecting that producing as a blocker from a TE, something is seriously wrong. Rookie status be damned.
It’s a lazy way for the organization to patch a long persisting problem when they could be using their limited capital to actually fix problems.
I don’t care if there were worse contracts given. If that’s the blocking TE market, you don’t participate. Wait for the draft. Use the money better for a position that’s ACTUALLY going to fix a problems on the team.
Oh and just so I can debunk the weak veterans argument too. Because Mark Ingram, Marshal Yanda, Ronnie Stanley, Earl Thomas, Jimmy Smith, Tony Jefferson, Brandon Carr, and Brandon Williams can’t hold the locker room down. Give me a break
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
That is incredible honestly, like that’s completely unheard of, and as I said before, on most teams that isn’t a major difference in the end result even with it being an incredible feat, but in this offense that honestly is a bit of a game changer, our run game probably takes a decent hit if Boyle leaves and lamar would become significantly more vulnerable in the pocket. The eagles, bears, titans, Seahawks and patriots would all probably be teams that Boyle could be a big factor with as well, but the ravens are just on another level with the exotic run game
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
If he’s a game changer in this offense then we have serious problems here that we could’ve used that $6 million to help solve. Thank you for proving my point. He’s.... not.....worth it.....
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
You don’t think that maybe the blocking TE market is like that because certain teams value them a lot more than you do? For instance, teams who really depend heavily on blocking TEs to move around and create mismatches in the run game.
Maybe it wasn’t 5-6 bad decisions made league wide and more teams just making signings that makes their particular scheme more functional.
that literally makes no sense - he's great at something that we want to do more of - he allows us to play a running style that we cant without him and it allows us to be more effective and dominant
in what way is him being a game-changer in that situation a negative?
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Ooooh. I’m trembling in my boots on how the bengals, giants, redskins, and bills are changing the market(Doyle is a much better player than Boyle so I’m not counting the Colts here). Yeah I can pin those all to be stupid decisions based off of who paid them. NEXT.
Not a good argument those teams are all historically idiotic. Next.
Say that again. If we can’t run the ball without Nick Boyle, a tight end, who’s that a bigger reflection on? Us or him? This isn’t about him being a good blocking TE, he is, but if that has become vital to the team, there’s something wrong with it. He’s a blocking TE. That shouldn’t be making or breaking a team(btw he doesn’t make or break us, strengthening my point).
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Nick Boyle being a game changer in this offense is not a problem or a bad thing... if anything it’s pretty awesome that something as minor as a blocking TE can make such a big difference for us. And that 6 million could be spent better elsewhere, but Boyle isn’t the problem, and what Boyle mostly does is pass protect outside of the OT and move across the line to seal off edges and eliminate the scrape defender aka the hardest and most important defender to block in this scheme. You don’t let a guy like that walk and just assume you’ll draft the best blocking TE in the league on day 3 to replace him, this offense takes a big hit without Boyle, and you are unlikely to find a player who can do his job anywhere near as well as he does
if we couldnt do anything without him he'd have got even more money from us so its not like he's making or breaking the offence but his ability is so good at that aspect that he's basically a playmaker on offence because of the way we use him in the scheme and he's inexpensive for someone who is the best in the league at what he is - there's value in what he does and 6m//yr really isnt much in the grand scheme of the salary cap as it is
redrum52
Hall of Famer
You pay pieces that fit YOUR scheme. I thought we overpaid, but understood why. With all the complaints about our OL we have a "weapon" who's also one of the best blockers on the team. A player like him goes a long way in goal line situations alone.
I'm not going to blame Eric for the bad contracts/restructures done prior because he gave someone what looks like a market value deal, when it wasn't killing our cap. If I remember correctly, another blocking TE got about the same amount. If anything, he's helping set us for the future with moves he's made and approach to new deals.
I'm not going to blame Eric for the bad contracts/restructures done prior because he gave someone what looks like a market value deal, when it wasn't killing our cap. If I remember correctly, another blocking TE got about the same amount. If anything, he's helping set us for the future with moves he's made and approach to new deals.
Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
All this about Boyle's contract is more or less moot if we sign McCoy. I echo the thoughts of @redrum52 @JoeyFlex5 and @rossihunter2 .
It's not logical to assume you could draft Boyle's replacement. He is peculiar and particularly to this offense and that takes awhile to develop, if at all.
He is charged with making more reads than a typical. "blocking TE" by a mile. He gets the fullback treatment, the edge pass protector treatment. he throws his body around and has intimate knowledge of this system. Never mind the fact that he is a good blocker.... as I said he is making reads all the time right along with Lamar. And, yeah...he's a pass catcher. He has 28 and 23 receptions in 2017/18 respectively.
It's not logical to assume you could draft Boyle's replacement. He is peculiar and particularly to this offense and that takes awhile to develop, if at all.
He is charged with making more reads than a typical. "blocking TE" by a mile. He gets the fullback treatment, the edge pass protector treatment. he throws his body around and has intimate knowledge of this system. Never mind the fact that he is a good blocker.... as I said he is making reads all the time right along with Lamar. And, yeah...he's a pass catcher. He has 28 and 23 receptions in 2017/18 respectively.
@Lost_In_Translation has his opinion and that is fine, he is entitled to it, but I completely disagree. First and foremost, if he was overpaid it wasn't by much. We are also very familiar with him and by familiar I mean ROMAN is familiar with him and if he felt he was an important piece than I'm fine with it and I'm also glad we resigned him.
I have a sneaky suspicion that EDS wasn't for that contract we gave BWill.
cobrajet
Hall of Famer
Looks like that Gerald McCoy is taking the weekend to think about which team he wants to choose before making his decision. With the cap room the Browns have, I wouldn’t be surprised if they told McCoy you go out and see what the others offer then call us before you make any final determination. I just feel they will stretch their offer until he can’t refuse it.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
No problem with his point of view, even if I don't agree. I just find it tough to blame Eric when I think he's done a pretty damn good job trying to clean up some of Ozzie's past mistakes. The other reason I'm not stressing is because I don't think we need McCoy that much anyway, though he would be a welcomed addition. We have a few guys we need to pay next year and who knows who might be released next year. Not trying to tie up more money in another DT with the guys we have and potential of the rookie class.
Charm City
Pro Bowler
This is a joke right?
Sami84
Ravens Ring of Honor
nope. Jimmy smith and carr are more than capable of a big down year at their age and with jimmy cumulative injuries.
Charm City
Pro Bowler
yeah idk what to tell you. o line is the next logical upgrade position. CB is at the bottom or near it.
I wanted us to draft Sheffield but we got Marshall instead...Marlon, Tevon, so far so good if Marshall pans out we'll be set at corner. Next years 1st rd. pick I vote for Delpit out of LSU. That would solidify our secondary for the next 3 years. As for the Oline we'll see how this season plays out but I believe the Skins will probably lose Brandon Scherff in 2020 so theres that..