The Random Thought Thread

[UPennChem]

speed does things to receivers - not saying he shouldnt have played it better but that was a receiver who's hardly played all year and he put marlon in a bind with a great route - not really about tannehill's tendencies in that situation because when a guy drives at you with speed you have to react - humphrey was set up to keep him inside and raymond threatened to cross him so he reacted but got completely turned around and so lost raymond - was not great corner play but its not about a lack of film study

This is really just completely random, but I work with a guy who grew up in Boston and went to high school with the guy who toasted Marlon for the TD. They apparently keep in good touch and that guy though his NFL career was over after this year. That play may have done something to keep him alive

 

[Tank]

You guys think this would work? It's crazy to think how much more money ZDS could have gotten from the Packers if Rodgers' cap hit was separate from the Packers overall salary cap. Also where was this when we gave Joe $120M? We could have kept Boldin!

No. Would work to reverse what the cap was designed to accomplish.

 

[RavensMania]

TAVON YOUNGDB, BALTIMORE RAVENS

Ravens slot CB Tavon Young (neck) is expected to be ready for OTAs.
Young missed the entire year with a disc issue in his neck. Barring setbacks, he should be cleared for the first day of offseason workouts. It's good news for Baltimore with Brandon Carr a potential cap casualty. The Ravens are counting on rebound 2020 from Young.

 

[rossihunter2]

This is really just completely random, but I work with a guy who grew up in Boston and went to high school with the guy who toasted Marlon for the TD. They apparently keep in good touch and that guy though his NFL career was over after this year. That play may have done something to keep him alive

It might have done - but it’s also only like his 10th reception of the year

 

[Tank]

TAVON YOUNGDB, BALTIMORE RAVENS

Ravens slot CB Tavon Young (neck) is expected to be ready for OTAs.
Young missed the entire year with a disc issue in his neck. Barring setbacks, he should be cleared for the first day of offseason workouts. It's good news for Baltimore with Brandon Carr a potential cap casualty. The Ravens are counting on rebound 2020 from Young.

Always scary when a guy is returning from this type of injury, especially when it's a banger like Tavon.

 

[rossihunter2]

You guys think this would work? It's crazy to think how much more money ZDS could have gotten from the Packers if Rodgers' cap hit was separate from the Packers overall salary cap. Also where was this when we gave Joe $120M? We could have kept Boldin!

The problem here is that it wouldn’t allow for competition or a market for qbs because a team would just have to pay the qb the maximum allowed and all qb salaries would therefore be determined by the maximum cap space allowed and every qb would get the same money because there’s no opportunity cost to not paying them no matter how good (or bad) they are

More qbs would make more money than they do now but ultimately it would erode the market value in the long-run

Something needs to change I think (because qbs on rookie deals are too underpaid) but not sure this is the solution but it would probably be a good short-term fix

 

[Tank]

Kinda surreal that there's no AFCCG in Baltimore tomorrow. smh

 

[Willbacker]

Kinda surreal that there's no AFCCG in Baltimore tomorrow. smh

Yeah it sucks. Would've been our 1st one.

 

[Tank]

Something needs to change I think (because qbs on rookie deals are too underpaid) but not sure this is the solution but it would probably be a good short-term fix

IMO no player should get top dollar until they've consistently proven themselves(worth) for a solid period of time.

 

[Ice Bowl]

I’m nervous about my boys getting beat tomorrow.

 

[rossihunter2]

IMO no player should get top dollar until they've consistently proven themselves(worth) for a solid period of time.

at the moment there's no position effect on rookie deals though - no adjustment for the market rates of those positions - you can cap the rookie deals but there should be some sort of graded scale effect for each position (in the same way the franchise tag works just cheaper) - im not suggesting going back to the wild west where sam bradford gets a league leading salary as a rookie but its absurd that nick boyle or someone like that makes more money than lamar jackson and patrick mahomes etc.

 

[Tank]

at the moment there's no position effect on rookie deals though - no adjustment for the market rates of those positions - you can cap the rookie deals but there should be some sort of graded scale effect for each position (in the same way the franchise tag works just cheaper) - im not suggesting going back to the wild west where sam bradford gets a league leading salary as a rookie but its absurd that nick boyle or someone like that makes more money than lamar jackson and patrick mahomes etc.

eh, Boyle was a 5th year player that made comparatively little his first 4 years. I don't see him making more an absurdity. Tenure and consistency should be rewarded as earning years are shorter. And both LJ and Pat are making aplenty through endorsements.......not sorry. lol

 

[rossihunter2]

eh, Boyle was a 5th year player that made comparatively little his first 4 years. I don't see him making more an absurdity. Tenure and consistency should be rewarded as earning years are shorter. And both LJ and Pat are making aplenty through endorsements.......not sorry. lol

was using him as an example of a vet earning more than a qb on rookie deal
but ok even just in terms of rookie contracts saquon barkley earns more than mahomes and lamar despite the comparative positional importance and market value

you can see that its an unfair system because qbs are now basically being paid immediately following their 3rd year - they're too valuable to even let get into their 4th year let alone 5th year option playing at the lower rate - means the system is wrong but market forces arent physically allowed to correct it until after year 3

 

[Tank]

was using him as an example of a vet earning more than a qb on rookie deal
but ok even just in terms of rookie contracts saquon barkley earns more than mahomes and lamar despite the comparative positional importance and market value

you can see that its an unfair system because qbs are now basically being paid immediately following their 3rd year - they're too valuable to even let get into their 4th year let alone 5th year option playing at the lower rate - means the system is wrong but market forces arent physically allowed to correct it until after year 3

RB performance is much more predictable and they generally perform at top level early in their career, start decline much earlier, and have much shorter careers. Not unfair at all. Pretty much the opposite for most QBs. I don't see the issue.

 

[rossihunter2]

RB performance is much more predictable and they generally perform at top level early in their career, start decline much earlier, and have much shorter careers. Not unfair at all. Pretty much the opposite for most QBs. I don't see the issue.

are you telling me that qbs dont deserve to be paid more than their rookie peers despite the relative value and impact they make on their team?

 

[airconteka]

They would be no benefit of having a QB on a rookie deal with a split cap. Could lead to teams less likely to gamble on a rookie and just hit free agency, i think it would have a negative impact on the development on quality of QBs.

 

[JO_75]

The problem here is that it wouldn’t allow for competition or a market for qbs because a team would just have to pay the qb the maximum allowed and all qb salaries would therefore be determined by the maximum cap space allowed and every qb would get the same money because there’s no opportunity cost to not paying them no matter how good (or bad) they are

More qbs would make more money than they do now but ultimately it would erode the market value in the long-run

Something needs to change I think (because qbs on rookie deals are too underpaid) but not sure this is the solution but it would probably be a good short-term fix

Yeah I'm not a fan of that idea at all myself, just thought it would be a good discussion. Having a separate cap for QBs compared to the rest of the team would cause NBA like ripple effects like everyone has said, and it treats all QBs equal which doesn't do nothing to curve the current problem where so so QBs are getting paid big contracts but did nothing to earn it. Winston is going to get a good sized contract but no way should he get something similar to what Watson, Mahomes and eventually what Lamar will get. There's still got to be a risk of that QB not working out and the teams paying for it. I got some solutions for this and the CBA.....

I think the answer to the problem lies within Baseball and the current rookie scale format.

1) Guaranteed Contracts W Team Friendly Cap Hits. Fully Guaranteed contracts in exchange for lower cap hits would allow teams to build around the expensive Franchise QB but not too friendly where the risk of the QB being a bust after the large contract still impacts the team and sets the team back.

2) I don't think the NFL is ready to give fully guaranteed contracts yet even though they should. In the event they do become a reality, you cap all contracts to a max of 4 years. The Franchise Tag would essentially be the 5th year option if a new deal can't be reached but a player can only be Franchised ONCE in his career, no more year to year Tags. Also the deadline to strike a deal with a Franchised Player is extended until the 53 Man Roster Deadline at the end of the preseason.

3) I'd also extend the Rookie Contracts through the first two rounds meaning players taken in Round 1 & 2 all have the 5th year option attached with the ability to be paid after the third season. Rookie contracts need to pay more, no question about it as they are too team friendly at the moment but by Year 4, the money and cap hit go up which would encourage teams to get new deals done and get players paid sooner.

 

[Tank]

are you telling me that qbs dont deserve to be paid more than their rookie peers despite the relative value and impact they make on their team?

Most definitely telling you that! lol Many players, no matter their position are "under paid" early in their careers. It's not isolated to QBs. And more often than not QBs on rookie deals are not having a major impact on their team's success.

Once they consistently prove their worth a QBs career earning power is unmatched. There's nothing "unfair" here.

 

[redrum52]

Jimmy in 2013 was unquestionably better than Humphrey has been at any point. Jimmy getting snubbed of all pro that year is an all time snub

If Jimmy had Lamar drawing attention to that 13 team he definitely makes Pro Bowl and all pro. Prime Jimmy was better than Marlon has shown. If prime Jimmy and prime Webb played together... awwwwww. Webb would've been GREAT. He wasn't just lockdown but a true damn playmaker as well. Our secondary is great now, but it makes me sad I don't think they ever really got to see their true potential.

 

[redrum52]

I mean their respective peers obviously didnt/dont share your opinion

Media votes. All pros are regarded higher by fans, but I listened to the Pat McAfee show and he said players don't take them too seriously either. They get it wrong as well with All Pro voting.