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The Defence, The Offence and The Passing Game

D1City55

D1City55

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rossihunter2 said:
on this point its definitely this but also lamar's missing throws and making bad reads when theyre there

i agree we need WR help too but I just dont know where that comes from before the trade deadline
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I mean, if we're going to be honest, his accuracy has always been a work in progress, and it wasn't perfect last year either. Against KC, CLE, PIT which were among his worst he had issues with accuracy and decision making. He got much better as the season progressed and this occurred his rookie year as well where his touch on his passes improved drastically as well as his chemistry.

Also, his best stretch of the season came late in the season at week 10 up until week 12. If I can recall through 7 weeks of last season our offense was not doing anything special outside of week 1 when we nuked Miami. Lamar won the MVP award for his performance in November-December; that's when he was at his best.

2019 through five weeks: 11 TDs, 5 INTs, 1271 yards passing, 65% complete, 106/162.

2020 through five weeks: 9 TDs, 2 INTs, 949 yards passing, 64% complete, 86/135.

In retrospect, I guess it's easy to judge the accuracy, but going back to some of last year's games he was not setting the world on fire outside of the first two games against Miami and Arizona.

Unfortunately the sad truth is that we're not going to be able to make a move for a WR at this point of the season. Our takeaway is that next offseason we must make a move for one. It's up there with pass rusher.
 
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rossihunter2 said:
right but he got 34 yards of those 75 on 2 carries in 1 drive... take those away and you get 9 carries for 23 yards through the rest of the game - that's less than 3 ypc
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I mean yes if you take away the good carries then you are left with the bad ones. That is always true for RBs (and honestly for numbers in general). Gus even including his couple good carries is sitting at around 3.5 YPC and if I took out his best two I probably get him under 3 as well. RBs can only go where the hole is and if there is no hole there is nothing they can do. The inability to consistently get any push and therefore make it impossible to reach the second level is a big problem.
 
Davesta

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Sooky

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We need to utilize the speed of our wide receivers on short routes. If I remember correctly it was week 1 against the Browns we utilized Brown’s speed on several routes around 6-15 yards and let him get some YAC. Run game needs to come back and I think the worst part about this season is Ingram hasn’t looked good since his injury and I don’t see him as that happy spark on and off the field like before.
 
rossihunter2

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Adreme said:
I mean yes if you take away the good carries then you are left with the bad ones. That is always true for RBs (and honestly for numbers in general). Gus even including his couple good carries is sitting at around 3.5 YPC and if I took out his best two I probably get him under 3 as well. RBs can only go where the hole is and if there is no hole there is nothing they can do. The inability to consistently get any push and therefore make it impossible to reach the second level is a big problem.
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obviously will require the coaches film to see but it felt like ingram was missing the hole and doesnt have the burst to get to the edge if the play's not blocked up perfectly
 
JO_75

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Davesta said:
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Same type of stuff that got us with C** and his predictable offense. We are trying to be the Chiefs airing the ball out but don't have the amount of weapons they do to make it work. With KC, you don't know who Mahomes will throw it to and if you think you have them covered Mahomes finds another receiver for the catch.

Nobody here might not like it but I'm all for signing AB after his suspension is up.
 
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rossihunter2 said:
i mean who wouldnt at this point - the stats say he should get more touches, the eye test says he should get more touches - why isnt he getting more touches???
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this is like when harbs started James hurst over Orlando brown at RT for the year and OBJ only got his chance cause of injury..
 
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rossihunter2 said:
he didnt get to practice most of this week - would explain more i think than not getting with coach harris - i know he got with the rest of the receivers but i dont know if he actually got to spend time with harris

lamar said he worked all offseason on deep balls and throws to the outside and yet he somehow seems to have got worse so you've got to think whatever it was he was doing wasn't working
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Lamar hasn’t looked as good as last year. I think he improved in some areas but it’s been 5 games now? He’s not making as good of reads as last year. That’s why I’m wondering if he got the work in with Harris this off-season. This one game is just one game but he’s had a lot of issues since the Chiefs but even the Texans he had some blunders just not as huge of blunders. He’s either regressed, is hurt, or very very rusty—maybe all 3.
D1City55 said:
We really need to make a move for a WR if we want to win a SB this year. IDK why or how the team went into next season with virtually the same group of guys but they had too much confidence in them. I'm done with Boykin. He's never going to be that guy for us, I was hoping he would take that next step but him and Lamar have not been on the same page at all this season and he's got his own issues. He does not play up to his size, not quick or fast enough, doesn't have a good release of LOS and his routes are shaking, I rarely see him sell on a route. Duvernay is definitely the better option of the two and should get more touches.

Snead on the other hand is not a #2. He might be for what he's required to do blocking wise but we were going to have to throw the Football more this season and Snead is not good enough in that role. His route tree is limited to the short and intermediate routes and he's solid at best, you don't want someone like him as your #2.

The OL needs to get better as well. RG play has mediocre and that's a big deal when you're going from Yanda to Philips/Mekari, thats a massive drop off. Zeus has taken a massive step back this year and Skura is still trying to work himself back from injury. I'm hopeful that the OL play will improve given the lack of Pre-season/OTAs and hopefully they are able to get back to where they were last year, especially given the type of year Bozeman is having, he's been our best player on the line and is a candidate for an extension.

As far as Lamar looking worse this year. I mean he had a sensational year last year and it's easier to say he's regressed but Jessie Bates after the game pretty much said the only players Lamar is throwing to is Hollywood and Andrews. I don't think it's Lamar regressing, I think it's defenses realizing there are only two threats on the field and the OL is not opening enough nor getting to the 2nd level well enough to open holes. Teams have had an entire offseason to look back on the tape and make adjustments, the Ravens themselves did not do that. It's almost as if they did not anticipate it. I think they got a little too confident.
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rossihunter2 said:
on this point its definitely this but also lamar's missing throws and making bad reads when theyre there

i agree we need WR help too but I just dont know where that comes from before the trade deadline
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Another WR would be great because yes Lamar doesn’t seem to have a lot of trust outside Andrews & Brown. I can’t say I blame Lamar because Boykin has his issues so it is hard to trust him. He blocks great but the dude is kinda like Perriman in terms of fighting for the ball and his mental lapses. We really need a #2 Lamar can trust. Honestly it may be worth bringing in Antonio Brown to help this offense but I hate saying that.
 
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Davesta said:
this is like when harbs started James hurst over Orlando brown at RT for the year and OBJ only got his chance cause of injury..
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now I agree we should have played Orland Brown over Hurst, but there were rumors he didn't know all the plays. I wouldn't compare this to not kiving JKD more touches, but he definitely should be getting more.
 
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