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JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
you're right - not even sure the Eagles can physically make it down just by cutting players

did some quick maths so could be wrong but to me it looks like if the Eagles cut every player on their roster who they can actually cut they still can't make it under the cap next year lol
Howie roseman seems to have done exactly what Ozzie did after our super bowl lol
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
I damn sure ain't gonna boo hoo when player salaries have been spiraling out of control and owners been lavishing ridiculous contracts like spoiled little rich kids. Cap in 2015 (143.28 mil). Cap in 2020 (198.20). What other job has been getting pay raises like these? I've been saying for the last couple years that this cannot be sustained even without Covid. Owners should just suck it up cuz they the engine thats been driving this gravy (crazy) train.
Is it the owners? Or is it the top of the market players?

for me, the biggest issue is that the best players don’t get the biggest contract, just the latest. If the best CB in the league gets 20m per year early in the offseason, an above average starter who happens to be the best cb on the market the following year resets the whole market for 22m per year.

players demanding to be the highest paid at their position just because they’re the top dog in the current FA market has just poisoned the well, it has spiraled so far out of control at this point lol. Shit reminds me of student loans.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
Is it the owners? Or is it the top of the market players?

for me, the biggest issue is that the best players don’t get the biggest contract, just the latest. If the best CB in the league gets 20m per year early in the offseason, an above average starter who happens to be the best cb on the market the following year resets the whole market for 22m per year.

players demanding to be the highest paid at their position just because they’re the top dog in the current FA market has just poisoned the well, it has spiraled so far out of control at this point lol. Shit reminds me of student loans.

The owners ok that contract. They can't show no restraint?
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
An interesting tidbit about he Saints and Chiefs game. Sean Payton had Mahomes & Lattimore 1-2 on their board after everyone else was drafted. Sean was struggling with what to do, take Lattimore and help the team win now or take Mahomes. The Chiefs made their trade and the decision was made for the Saints.

This would have been interesting... Brees was a free agent after 2017 so imagine if Brees had left in 2018 since they had Mahomes ready to take over. Andy Reid then probably trades up and takes Watson before the Texans do and Watson is the thorn in our side, not Mahomes.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
An interesting tidbit about he Saints and Chiefs game. Sean Payton had Mahomes & Lattimore 1-2 on their board after everyone else was drafted. Sean was struggling with what to do, take Lattimore and help the team win now or take Mahomes. The Chiefs made their trade and the decision was made for the Saints.

This would have been interesting... Brees was a free agent after 2017 so imagine if Brees had left in 2018 since they had Mahomes ready to take over. Andy Reid then probably trades up and takes Watson before the Texans do and Watson is the thorn in our side, not Mahomes.

interesting that 2 of the best playcallers and offensive-minds in the last couple of decades were both much higher on mahomes than the rest of the league seemingly was
 

gtalk12

Ravens Ring of Honor
An interesting tidbit about he Saints and Chiefs game. Sean Payton had Mahomes & Lattimore 1-2 on their board after everyone else was drafted. Sean was struggling with what to do, take Lattimore and help the team win now or take Mahomes. The Chiefs made their trade and the decision was made for the Saints.

This would have been interesting... Brees was a free agent after 2017 so imagine if Brees had left in 2018 since they had Mahomes ready to take over. Andy Reid then probably trades up and takes Watson before the Texans do and Watson is the thorn in our side, not Mahomes.

Watson and Reid pairing sounds scary to me lol
 

Simba

Staff Member
Moderator
An interesting tidbit about he Saints and Chiefs game. Sean Payton had Mahomes & Lattimore 1-2 on their board after everyone else was drafted. Sean was struggling with what to do, take Lattimore and help the team win now or take Mahomes. The Chiefs made their trade and the decision was made for the Saints.

This would have been interesting... Brees was a free agent after 2017 so imagine if Brees had left in 2018 since they had Mahomes ready to take over. Andy Reid then probably trades up and takes Watson before the Texans do and Watson is the thorn in our side, not Mahomes.

Not going to pretend I expected Mahomes to be this good from my scouting, but looking back, it's insane that a guy on track to be one of the best the NFL has ever seen went 10th overall. And in a period of time where trading up to the top 3 at a minimum to get a top flight QB is almost mandatory, the fact that Mahomes went 10th is insane. And then you look at Trubisky sitting up there as the #2 pick.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Not going to pretend I expected Mahomes to be this good from my scouting, but looking back, it's insane that a guy on track to be one of the best the NFL has ever seen went 10th overall. And in a period of time where trading up to the top 3 at a minimum to get a top flight QB is almost mandatory, the fact that Mahomes went 10th is insane. And then you look at Trubisky sitting up there as the #2 pick.

at least the Bears actually drafted a QB that year - the jags drafted a 2-down running back 4th overall

or even more egregious was the Giants taking a RB 2nd overall in a class where 3 of the 5 QBs taken in the 1st round have been apparently major hits so far

more teams need to be like the Cards where if you already know your rookie QB doesn't have it, if there's one you like in the next draft then take them - if you're a team without a QB you should be drafting one basically every year until you find one tbh
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
I damn sure ain't gonna boo hoo when player salaries have been spiraling out of control and owners been lavishing ridiculous contracts like spoiled little rich kids. Cap in 2015 (143.28 mil). Cap in 2020 (198.20). What other job has been getting pay raises like these? I've been saying for the last couple years that this cannot be sustained even without Covid. Owners should just suck it up cuz they the engine thats been driving this gravy (crazy) train.
Well, actually, its your fault. And my fault. We are the train.

The player salaries are actually kind of irrelevant. They see those kinds of pay raises because they have a Union that bargains for half the revenue, and the revenue has skyrocketed every year.

So in order to find a job that has similar capabilities, you'd need one that has like 35% growth over a five year period, and also has a Union-backed workforce that bargains their way to 50% off the top.

Hence why there is no comparable company or industry, because they don't really exist. Its like asking me to find you another industry or company where new entrants to the market are "drafted" and have essentially no say in who they work for in that industry. Where does that happen? Answer... nowhere. Its the equivalent of getting a Computer Programming degree and then being told "you either work for Google, or you can't do any IT work at all". Obviously, that's not how things work.

And you are correct... its not sustainable. Every business or industry has a peak revenue model. When that revenue model plateaus or decreases, so will player contracts. But in order for that to happen, there has to be a significant change in consumer preference, i.e. a very large portion of football watchers stop watching football. So far, that hasn't happened. Some ignorant people will tell you that like a whole bunch of "people they know" stopped watching from the protesting or whatever else, but its immaterial.
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
New Orleans and Philadelphia are royally, royally, royally screwed in my eyes.

Look at Philly's contract structures... they have very little ways to create space. They will cut Jeffery, Jackson and Goodwin and save about $17M and then they'll have to look long and hard at Ertz (possibly getting cut). Outside of that, they have no easy mechanisms to create space. All of their high priced players are on early parts of large contracts with significant dead money. They will have a TON of contract restructuring to do. And of course, the mother of all problems, is Wentz. He's got a $34.6M cap hit, which there's no way you'll want to extend him for, and his salary is fully guaranteed, meaning a restructure (still has 4 years left) or pay cut isn't an option. AND...$15M of his 2022 base salary guarantees in March 2021, meaning you're likely stuck with him through 2022.

The Saints have some options, but not many. And none of those options exist with Brees being back on a $36.15M cap hit. He either takes a massive paycut, or he retires/gets cut. That Taysom Hill contract looks laughably bad next year, though they do have a couple of cuts they can make to clear some significant space (Alexander, Sanders, Easton would save them about $25M). They'll probably look at handing out extensions to Ramczyk and Lattimore, with extremely low 2021 cap hits. Can probably save $10-15M if they backload the crap out of those.
I remembered months ago that you were talking about the Steelers cap situation. How do you feel about them going into this offseason?
 

Davesta

Ravens Ring of Honor
Anyone watches the chargers? I wonder how Kenneth Murray have looked compared to Patrick Queen
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
i mean even if we got a 183m salary cap number there'd still be 10 teams in the red lol

sidenote: i cannot believe how screwed the texans are - bad roster, no coach, no GM, no 1st or 2nd round pick, and with a projected 176m salary cap they'd be 8.5m over it going into the offseason

i also have no idea how the saints are going to get under the cap - they're projected right now to be 95m over the cap
Holy Shit. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like that.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Is it the owners? Or is it the top of the market players?

for me, the biggest issue is that the best players don’t get the biggest contract, just the latest. If the best CB in the league gets 20m per year early in the offseason, an above average starter who happens to be the best cb on the market the following year resets the whole market for 22m per year.

players demanding to be the highest paid at their position just because they’re the top dog in the current FA market has just poisoned the well, it has spiraled so far out of control at this point lol. Shit reminds me of student loans.
you can blame the AGENTS and the OWNERS for that.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Not going to pretend I expected Mahomes to be this good from my scouting, but looking back, it's insane that a guy on track to be one of the best the NFL has ever seen went 10th overall. And in a period of time where trading up to the top 3 at a minimum to get a top flight QB is almost mandatory, the fact that Mahomes went 10th is insane. And then you look at Trubisky sitting up there as the #2 pick.
so did @Truth and that's why he took him in the 1st round of the FM.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
at least the Bears actually drafted a QB that year - the jags drafted a 2-down running back 4th overall

or even more egregious was the Giants taking a RB 2nd overall in a class where 3 of the 5 QBs taken in the 1st round have been apparently major hits so far

more teams need to be like the Cards where if you already know your rookie QB doesn't have it, if there's one you like in the next draft then take them - if you're a team without a QB you should be drafting one basically every year until you find one tbh
Much easier to do what the Cards did now than prior to 2010 when we didn't have a rookie pool and QBs were getting 50m deals as rookies.
 
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