-
Welcome to PurpleFlock! Be sure to sign up here so that you can chat with your fellow Ravens fans.
Around the NFL: News and Rumors
- Thread starter RavensPunkXVX
- Start date
he was traded for more reasons than how he played last year.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Well, maybe. Can read into whatever the reports are, but none of that matters if he played well. People haven't liked Aaron Rodgers leadership skills or how he treats people for over a decade now. He keeps getting pay raises.
If you play well, they'll overlook pretty much anything.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Panthers make all the sense in the world. Seattle could be in play too, though I'm not sure why you would trade Russ to then trade for Watson.
Pittsburgh could be in that market too, but I would bet heavily on the Panthers landing Watson if he wants to go there.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Really don't see who he wouldn't take a trade for. It's not like Houston is this great place to play.
Maybe he'd veto like Detroit, but if somebody like Philadelphia, Carolina, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, etc. gets interested, I don't think he'll have any reservations about going to those places,
Davesta
Ravens Ring of Honor
Oh yeah. Eagles or Panthers. Makes too much sense
can't compare ARod to Wentz. That's like comparing Apples to a lemon.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
I mean in this case, its certainly a valid comparison.
If Wentz played at the level of Rodgers, would anybody honestly be that concerned about Wentz's perceived leadership issues, inability to be coached, etc.? Highly, highly, highly doubt it.
They've both faced much of the same criticism, and yet one gets paid a ton every year and wins MVP's, and one doesn't. That's the comparison. Aaron Rodgers doesn't play on three teams in three years and keep getting traded, because he's great. Wentz isn't great, and so he's seemingly stuck in QB purgatory.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
He's 100% getting traded before then. Likely in the next few weeks.
Civil suits can drag on for years. And realistically, based on precedent, its questionable whether the NFL will actually act in terms of discipline for civil suits, and if they do, it likely won't be a "lengthy" suspension. Less than a season for sure.
He's getting traded and it'll be soon. And he'll most likely play the whole season or at least part of a season until all of his cases have been dealt with. Again, that could take years.
Ultimately, with only civil cases on the radar and no real threat of criminal charges at this point, you'll probably hear of substantial settlement payouts in the coming months to end the litigation. That's how most civil suits end up anyway. It's all about money at this point.
still say you can't compare the two players at all. Wentz is nowhere near the player that ARod is. It's light years away.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Right but I did make the comparison,. and its a valid comparison. Nobody can dispute that. Just because they're not comparable as passers of the football doesn't mean they're not comparable in any form or fashion.
They're both white males. That's a comparison.
They're both divas with bad leadership skills and are frequently criticized by players and media for being difficult to work with and difficult to coach.
That's another valid comparison that nobody can dispute at any possible level.
People that say you can't compare certain things in totality because of differences between two things are not intelligent people. They lack critical thinking skills. I could make valid, indisputable comparisons between Hitler and the Pope. The only question is what the context of those comparisons is.
it's not a valid comparison and anyone can dispute that. I don't care if they are both white, that has nothing to do with his skillset. Of course you wouldn't trade Wentz if he was as good as Aaron Rodgers, you'd live with his diva attitude. That being said, there is a reason he's now on his 3rd team in three years and Rodgers is still with Green Bay.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
That's great. If you actually read what I wrote, I wasn't even comparing their skill sets. I was comparing their leadership styles and how well they are reported to receive hard coaching.
In that context, do you still think they're in no way comparable?
If you still think I'm talking about how effective they are as a QB, you missed the boat entirely. I was extremely clear when I said that one is significantly better as an actual player than the other, hence why one gets a raise and the other gets a new team every year. That doesn't mean they're not in any way comparable. Their leadership styles, or lack thereof, are extremely comparable.
That's something you've yet to dispute at all, likely because you can't.
I read what you said and no, they aren't comparable. Not in the least and again, if you read what I said, I'm talking talent, talent, talent.
I continue, not comparable at all, not in the least.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Either you didn't read it or you didn't understand it, but that's not surprising. The fact that talent is what you're talking about makes it pretty clear you didn't understand it.
If you think comparisons can only be made in totality, then that's short-sightedness you'll have to live with. I can't do anything for you on that one.
I read it and I understand it. You obviously didn't understand what I said.......clearly.
Just because you are comparing other attributes doesn't mean I can't go back to the actual talent level.
You change your opinions all the time, just to fit the narrative.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
O I understood it, because you just regurgitated what I had already said. Maybe you missed that point...
I understand that you think that if a person is not comparable in all ways, they're not comparable at all. An impossible sell to anybody with an IQ over 40, but it is what it is...
you can talk about their other attributes all the time. Of course they are both white and no I don't think they are the same in leadership style, not at all. I don't compare QBs on what color they are. I'm comparing QBs talent level, you are comparing anything about them. Sure they are both men, sure they are both football players, but they aren't comparable and I'm talking talent level only.
I'm not comparing the person! I'm comparing the football player. You are comparing the person
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Right, because the person, aka their leadership style (or lack thereof) and how they don't listen to coaching, is the reason why Wentz got traded. He didn't get traded because he played bad. He was better than Philip Rivers ever was in Indy, and was easily the best QB they've had since Luck.
His TD% was 11th in the league. He doesn't turn the ball over (3rd lowest INT % in the league). If you're into things like Passer rating and QBR, he was 13th and 10th in the league.
Those are not stats of a bad NFL QB. They're stats of an average NFL QB. Average NFL QBs don't really get traded all that often either, and certainly not for three consecutive years. Average NFL QBs who are bad leaders and don't respond well to coaching get traded.
The latter is the most important aspect of this. If Carson Wentz was a great teammate, he'd either still be an Eagle, or he'd definitely still be a Colt. His play isn't bad enough to warrant the treatment he's gotten.
I would think that would also be further verifiable by the fact that Washington gave up multiple mid round draft picks AND are willing to pay the guy $22M to play for them, even though they likely know his leadership challenges.
If you want another comparison of how leadership matters... Carson Wentz, from a talent perspective, isn't much different than Kirk Cousins. Both have limitations as passers, but both generally take care of the football well, have won games with multiple teams, etc. One makes a boatload of cash for a team and stays put for many years, the other gets traded twice in three years. The difference between them isn't talent...