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Lamar Jackson
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rmcjacket23
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Well I mean that's the risk. If he gets injured, his value goes down, especially if its a serious injury.
I don't have a problem with any of his decisions, as long as he can live with them. If he plays great and wins a SB, his value goes up (though I'd argue not really a ton). If he gets hurt or doesn't play great, his value goes down.
If I were him, I'm trying to get max guaranteed value as soon as I can. I think the risk is higher than the rewards in this case.
If he plays at exactly the same level he's been at the last couple years, and the Ravens basically are a one and done team in the playoffs or don't grow there, I'm not sure his value is any more or less than it already was. I don't think the cap going up necessarily means that's he's all of the sudden going to get Mahomes money or something absurd.
The only issue I would potentially have in a year or two is the lack of understanding of how a franchise cap impact impacts the team from a cap perspective, as opposed to a long term deal. He can make the same amount of money, or more money, not being on the tag. He can make that decision if he wants to, but then he'll just get the same justifiable criticism that Aaron Rodgers does, i.e. "I don't have enough talent or I'm unhappy with how the FO addresses the team needs", while remaining largely inflexible to do their part.
Not saying he'll go that route, but if he does, it would be incredibly hypocritical.
rmcjacket23
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Not really a relevant comparison though.
Why does NFL team value matter? It's not tangible. It has no meaning until an owner actually sells the team. They can't buy anything or contribute to GDP or any other economic factor with "my franchise is worth X". Can't buy anything with that. You buy things and create value with currency transactions.
It's the same concept as trying to tax the wealthy on "net worth". It's an elite-level bad idea that has gigantic gaping holes that could never be filled.
It's a pretty simple reason why the public generally sides with the Owners... because fans don't care about the business side of sports. We don't care about how much Owners make, the worth of a team, etc. Fans view it as entertainment. Are you entertaining me, and is my team winning? Everything else after that is irrelevant.
And individual players getting paid large sums of money, in a sport that has a collectively bargained agreement to cap what players can make, generally speaking, decreases the likelihood of a team being a winning team, thus impacting the fans entertainment value.
Putting a cap on profits or franchise worth doesn't impact either of those things.
Also, most people will never be millionaires. And those same people don't view Billionaires differently from Millionaires. There's rich people, and there's rich people. The magnitudes don't matter.
To a large segment of the population, Lamar Jackson is just as evil as Bisciotti, because they're both rich well beyond what the average person will ever make or see. It doesn't matter that Steve is massively more wealthy and rich than Lamar is.
meaningless nothingness lol - like maybe he does do this but idk that there's any reason to assume that's more likely than him signing a long-term deal later this offseason or in a year's time...
I totally agree. He's totally lost it
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Like I said before, I appreciate his hustle and his character and his ideas to create a bit of a community online, but if your subject matter is football and you don’t have good football content and instead get by on quantity over quality, then eventually your rope is gonna run out.
it's a dumb video lol - this made me look it up and i had to stop watching like 2 minutes in
talking about why are ravens fans who dont want to add another WR not the same when we add DTs and LBs etc...
and im there like... when was the last time we added a top defensive tackle (outside of calais campbell who was in his mid-30s when we acquired him lol)... probably when we drafted ngata in 2006 - wtf is he talking about lol
you should have sent a comment
JAAM
Hall of Famer
Would anyone be interested starting a YouTube based podcast regarding all things Ravens? We definitely wouldn’t keep shit clean and shoot the shit on the side. Idk - just brainstorming
Be cool to be the biggest platform for the Ravens on YouTube
…besides the Ravens official YouTube page
Be cool to be the biggest platform for the Ravens on YouTube
…besides the Ravens official YouTube page
his rope ran out a while ago
gtalk12
Ravens Ring of Honor
I am interested
I really believe that he knows regardless he gonna be get paid and at the same time he wanna show why he deserves the most.. its one of those things where you dnt really care about the money as much but if im gonna get paid, im gonna try to get what i believe im worth and the most out of you
JAAM
Hall of Famer
Hell yea. Let’s try and get some more folks. This is something I’ve been thinking about for a while. I just need to figure out the logistics
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I did lol, explained why We have no business allocating our resources to receivers
rmcjacket23
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He's going to get paid regardless. But if he gets injured and the value of himself doesn't get in-line with the value of everybody else has on him, then it won't matter how he values himself, because nobody will ever pay him what he thinks he's worth.
The reason why most people don't do this is because, by definition, he's not going to get paid what he's worth this year. And if he plays the next two years on franchise tags, he won't get paid what he's worth then either.
So if he wants to wait 2-3 years to get whatever he thinks he's worth, so be it. Maybe it works out for him, maybe it doesn't.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I’ve always wanted to but I’m incredibly mic and camera shy lol like the second I know I’m being recorded I lose all ability to act and speak like a human being is supposed to
JAAM
Hall of Famer
Hahaha if you change your mind let me know but it’s not a requirement to show your face now that I think about it. I’ll show mine just because I’ll be the “creator/host” lol
Ellicottraven
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"Why does NFL team value matter? It's not tangible. It has no meaning until an owner actually sells the team".
Sure. It isn't liquid cash. But it is a positive reversion and valuable in several ways. An example is, using the value as collateral to buy more businesses to make more money and so forth. The notion that you ignore reversionary value as intangible is incorrect. It isn't intangible if you can use it to advance wealth or borrow against it. Sure, it is transparently tangible only when you dispense such a business, but to sit here and say it doesn't have tangible value is just wrong. When your team's IRR is evaluated at any given time for its valuation, the reversionary interest is a big part of the value.
I simply disagree with the concept that the players and the owners are so rich, that there is no intrinsic difference in the way they're perceived. Not so. Players start off as average people right in front of our eyes and grow to become millionaires in short order. A very tangible growth that one can appreciate. With the owners, without getting into how they accumulated their wealth, while it is plausible that they also grew their wealth from abject poverty, you still can't take that amount of time (decades of wealth accumulation) and feel the same connection to them.
As for your statement about a collectively bargained agreement, I agree it was collectively bargained and therefore there isn't much one can do here. However, my point was more general in suggestion. My point was maybe the division of profits could be such that it is fair and equitable in its disbursement. Why should just be a 50% division of profits? If it must be so, why is the reversionary increase in value of all the clubs not taken into account? There is inbuilt unfairness in the system was all I was saying. Again, your postulate of the likelihood of a team being a winning team and impacting fans' entertainment value? Come on! If we had the same players with a reduced cap of say 100M per year per team, do you think we'd have players dropping out after being drafted by the NFL? No, we would have the same exact number of players playing for the same teams, entertaining us the same way, with the exception that they would be earning their salaries commensurate with the cap.
Ellicottraven
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Total, unadulterated speculation which is nonsensical in my view. Speculative and unlikely.