rmcjacket23
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He didn't. He came in under Trestman in 2015 as the QB coach.
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Eric DeCosta Thread
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Shade_Raven
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No, im comparing our roster to last years roster, our WR Group is worse than last year when the Ravens are supposedly to be deciding if Lamar is the guy or not and we're supposed to be a Superbowl contender. And again the "We like our guys" comments when Duv isnt getting the ball, Proche isnt on the field, Tylan Wallace is ??? and Djax is ???
Shade_Raven
Practice Squad
Which is again, why im blaming our GM, whose failures at the WR position has directly put us in the position to be kicking tires on Tavon Austin. Excuse me for holding him accountable to his job.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Yeah I'm pretty sure Harbs picks them. He does love to promote internally whenever possible which has been pretty good on the defensive side and pretty bad on the offensive side. The caveat being we've really never been good on offense lol.
rmcjacket23
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Ehh, maybe. Why do you think that's on EDC only? What about the coaches and the players? If you draft like a half dozen receivers on day 1 and 2 over a five year period, and none them pan out, do we really think that's all on scouting/GM? Would be almost impossible to sell.
I appreciate the whole "accountability" aspect, but fans don't really have that power. And criticizing somebody on a chat board is an extremely loose definition of "accountability", given that practically nobody reads this and certainly nobody takes any real actions based on anything posted here.
For me, it doesn't surprise me at all that we're lacking at WR this year. Most fans could see that coming from a mile away. Whole offseason focus was on the Oline and the secondary, both of which have been greatly improved, and we had two first rounders and Andrews on the roster until literally draft day. Once Hollywood's dealt, it's kind of like "duh" that you're going be light at receiver, considering FA is basically over and you're not changing your draft strategy to reach on WRs just because you have one less now.
I'd have personally preferred a WR on day 3 rather than taking two TEs, but jury's still out on that one anyway.
rmcjacket23
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Why would you expect those guys to be on the field though? Everybody knows we ran a ton of two TE sets, and that Bateman and Andrews are the target monsters.
If Lamar's going to throw 30 passes a game, what would you expect the target distribution to be?
Andrews and Bateman getting 20 of those would be realistic, which is in the range of what they're currently doing. That leaves 10 targets for literally everybody else, including Duvernay, Likely, RBs (which we should use more), etc.
And these are targets, not receptions.
Shade_Raven
Practice Squad
My bad I thought this was a fan forum thread to discuss the GM? What else was I gonna post in here when he's doing a bad job.
rmcjacket23
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Well it is. Discussion isn't the same as accountability. They're dramatically different.
What else were you going to post? I don't know. Is this the only topic available to you?
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
It's not only about who we picked in the draft, it's also about who we left on the board.
not only that, it's hard to improve every part of your roster in one season and next year we will be lacking in another area. It's just the nature of the beast. No team is complete.
rmcjacket23
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True. The obvious complaint is that WR has been a weakness on this roster for so long.
Had we kept Hollywood, nobody could have objectively complained about the pass catching group on this team.
As I said earlier in an unrelated topic, there's plenty of teams that have better weapons than we do, but there's plenty of teams who are worse also.
rmcjacket23
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Sure, but that's a two way street.
Like take Boykin for example. Obviously a horrible pick.
Well, as I look at the draft now, the only WRs that were taken after him that made any sort of impact in the league were Hunter Renfrow and Darius Slayton. Better players than Boykin, certainly, but not like game-changing talents.
Then I go look at the guys taken before him. There's plenty of really good players, but there's also a bunch of irrelevant receivers too, like JJ Arcega Whiteside, Andy Isabella, Jalen Hurd. Maybe we draft a WR earlier and we end up with one of those guys, instead of AJ Brown or DK Metcalf.
That's why fans are just wasting their time doing this whole "if we had done X instead of Y" nonsense when it comes to the draft. Very rarely does a team make a literally perfect pick in the draft. Rarely can somebody who drafted somebody say "I got the absolute best player I could have gotten at that pick".
and of course if we keep Hollywood, we woudn't have Linderbaum, who is arguably more important to this offense.
rmcjacket23
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Or I guess we could have had Linderbaum but not had Hamilton...
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Well more talking points incoming! This one will be probably easy to assess in retrospect at the end of the season. This was either going to be a fantastic move or a total dud.
Personally, I think this is going to be a really good move. Let's see if we can't get some WR help too. Even if it's just Mims or OBJ.
Personally, I think this is going to be a really good move. Let's see if we can't get some WR help too. Even if it's just Mims or OBJ.
I like both, but if we can get OBJ in here that would be huge.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I truly think he's our missing piece for a shot at a SB
QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
I think Roman's receiver usage would make him a bit of a waste. I wish it was different, but from San Fran to Buffalo until now, every target gets funnelled towards a primary guy or a second option.
Either OBJ or Bateman (or Duvernay) would get pushed out of the top two and barely see a target at all.
rmcjacket23
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Well couple things:
1. With Bateman out, OBJ would probably see a large chunk of Bateman's targets, with Duvernay getting his usual workload.
2. Theoretically, target distributions would change if you add more talent. i.e. Andrews and Bateman see collectively less targets.
3. OBJ would largely be a bet on the playoffs or against top teams, when you have more "negative" game scripts, i.e. can't just run the ball on everybody and control the clock.
End of day, he's a rental for half a season. Don't see scenarios where he would a) want to sign a multi-year deal right now and b) where we could really be able to do accurately price him for a multi-year deal.
QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
In theory, that would be great but I think, in practice, even in a passing game script, every play would still be designed to go to Andrews and/or OBJ, making relatively easy to stop no matter who's at WR.
Basically, what I was saying is that Roman needs to evolve to involve more than 2 pass catchers in his plans before we can get over the playoff hurdle.