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Lamar Jackson

QtR Nevermore

Pro Bowler
That’s facts bro that’s exactly who Lamar has reminded me of throughout this. Yeah he hasn’t sat out a year yet but… damn.
The way they (apparently) weren't just negotiating for themselves but also for a principle/for other players is definitely a similarity. Bell was trying to argue that RBs, pass catchers especially, were underpaid and he lost a lot of money because of it. Lamar's already probably a little behind in potential career earnings because he's left it so long.
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
The way they (apparently) weren't just negotiating for themselves but also for a principle/for other players is definitely a similarity. Bell was trying to argue that RBs, pass catchers especially, were underpaid and he lost a lot of money because of it. Lamar's already probably a little behind in potential career earnings because he's left it so long.
Pretty much. I think the time to take this "stance" was 2022, which they did.
Problem is the NFLPA is now figuring out that there aren't other Owners like Haslam, and that this little "power play" is going to backfire, i.e. he isn't going to get the compensation he or the NFLPA wants.

My only question is... what's the NFLPA's move when it doesn't happen? Is the move just to have him play for $72M over the next two years and then hit UFA and pray like hell that there is another super desperate team out there that will give him whatever he wants?

I mean if that's the case so be it. My suspicion is the best case scenario for the NFLPA now is to ask Lamar to play out the full 7 years at below market value, let him hit FA in 2025, and then he'll just have to accept whatever the best offer is, and that'll be that.

Basically the "grand plan" is crumbling. And they know it.
 

drjohnnyfever

Pro Bowler
Pretty much. I think the time to take this "stance" was 2022, which they did.
Problem is the NFLPA is now figuring out that there aren't other Owners like Haslam, and that this little "power play" is going to backfire, i.e. he isn't going to get the compensation he or the NFLPA wants.

My only question is... what's the NFLPA's move when it doesn't happen? Is the move just to have him play for $72M over the next two years and then hit UFA and pray like hell that there is another super desperate team out there that will give him whatever he wants?

I mean if that's the case so be it. My suspicion is the best case scenario for the NFLPA now is to ask Lamar to play out the full 7 years at below market value, let him hit FA in 2025, and then he'll just have to accept whatever the best offer is, and that'll be that.

Basically the "grand plan" is crumbling. And they know it.
...unless he knuckles under, arrives for training camp, plays a stellar, injury-free year, and gets deeper into the Playoffs or wins a superBowl and then he's got his bargaining position back. Short of that, he is not going to get the Haslam treatment and just have money thrown at him.
 

BoredMarine13

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Pretty solid piece with some direct quotes on the difficulties of the Lamar situation


I would agree he should make his wants known publicly. Part of the problem is he isn’t agreeing or denying any information. Just posting GIFs and Emojis
 

Simba

Staff Member
Moderator
I would agree he should make his wants known publicly. Part of the problem is he isn’t agreeing or denying any information. Just posting GIFs and Emojis
Yeah. While it would suck for us and go against his pact with EDC, it's probably the only thing that's going to accelerate this at this point. I think the one quote in there about a team that would be interested in him having 0 contact with him to this point is pretty damning. Sounds like that might be changing with the reports coming out of yesterday, but still not a good look if a team doesn't even want to reach out because they have no idea where to even start because his circle is so tight. Nice to have that but if you want the big bucks, you gotta make moves yourself and that's the big miss with Lamar and his lack of agent. Greatly misplayed how he thought the process would go.
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
...unless he knuckles under, arrives for training camp, plays a stellar, injury-free year, and gets deeper into the Playoffs or wins a superBowl and then he's got his bargaining position back. Short of that, he is not going to get the Haslam treatment and just have money thrown at him.
SB win, maybe.
Again, I'd say its a slim-to-none chance Joe Burrow gets anything over 3 years, fully gtd, which means I struggle to see how Lamar would command more. Could say the same thing about Hurts, given both have been to a SB. Burrow with multiple conference championship games.
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
I would agree he should make his wants known publicly. Part of the problem is he isn’t agreeing or denying any information. Just posting GIFs and Emojis
For me, he's smart to not post the #, because I think he realizes there's no way he "wins" by doing that publicly. Anybody important within the NFL already knows what the # is, and the public will rally against him if he does.

However, the whole just denying reports, posting emoji's, etc. is just immaturity. Everybody is picking up on that at this point.

He's the guy who disputes claims by saying "wrong", but won't provide info about what was wrong about it or what the truth is. Either because he thinks the truth will hurt him, or because the thing he is denying is the truth after all.
 

BoredMarine13

Ravens Ring of Honor
For me, he's smart to not post the #, because I think he realizes there's no way he "wins" by doing that publicly. Anybody important within the NFL already knows what the # is, and the public will rally against him if he does.

However, the whole just denying reports, posting emoji's, etc. is just immaturity. Everybody is picking up on that at this point.

He's the guy who disputes claims by saying "wrong", but won't provide info about what was wrong about it or what the truth is. Either because he thinks the truth will hurt him, or because the thing he is denying is the truth after all.
You think they know his number? I would imagine they would, but reading reports like the above makes me think twice. Lamar has definitely handled this in an odd way so maybe they don’t know …. I do agree , He doesn’t need to post the number on Twitter, but I’m sure there’s a way for him privately to get the numbers out to interested GMs so they at least have a starting point.
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
Pretty much. I think the time to take this "stance" was 2022, which they did.
Problem is the NFLPA is now figuring out that there aren't other Owners like Haslam, and that this little "power play" is going to backfire, i.e. he isn't going to get the compensation he or the NFLPA wants.

My only question is... what's the NFLPA's move when it doesn't happen? Is the move just to have him play for $72M over the next two years and then hit UFA and pray like hell that there is another super desperate team out there that will give him whatever he wants?

I mean if that's the case so be it. My suspicion is the best case scenario for the NFLPA now is to ask Lamar to play out the full 7 years at below market value, let him hit FA in 2025, and then he'll just have to accept whatever the best offer is, and that'll be that.

Basically the "grand plan" is crumbling. And they know it.
Just for the sake of conversation, if you were in EDC's shoes, what would your offer be to Lamar in terms of AAV and total guarantees?

This goes for anyone else who wants to answer the question too. I ain't gonna lie, I'm kinda stumped on this one.
 

rmcjacket23

Ravens Ring of Honor
Just for the sake of conversation, if you were in EDC's shoes, what would your offer be to Lamar in terms of AAV and total guarantees?

This goes for anyone else who wants to answer the question too. I ain't gonna lie, I'm kinda stumped on this one.
I'd take the reported number, and probably up the gtd at signing to around $150M. Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing.

So 5/250, 150 gtd at signing, probably 180-200 in rolling guarantees.

And I think Lamar turns that deal down, and has a very difficult time explaining why other than "because Deshaun got more".
 

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
I mean... have you looked around? You really think poor people are sympathetic towards rich people who are bitching about $ of literally any kind?

Like go ask any non-sports-fan what they think about a pro-athlete holding out from a $32M annual salary, or turning down an offer of $133M over three years. Guaranteed "sympathy" won't be the response you get in about 99% of the people you ask.

The only people sympathetic are the one's who understand the business side of the sport, which is a very small % of the population. And even some of them aren't.

The guy making $10/hour doesn't think there's a difference between the millionaire or the billionaire. All he thinks is they're both overpaid, and that he's underpaid. There's no deviation.
You can be poor and not have a poor mindset though. Plenty of people arent even close to being rich financially yet they still dnt think that way that youre mentioning. You maybe assuming that everyone is so small minded because of the type of people you deal with, but thats not case all the time. Its some insightful unfortunate people out here in this world
 
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Deebo813

Hall of Famer
I don’t think you have to be in a miserable state of mind to not be sympathetic towards Lamar’s situation. I mean think about it. Dude made $23 mil. last year, apparently turned down a 5 year extension with $175 mil. guaranteed regardless of injury. $200 mil. guaranteed if he’s on the roster 5 days into the 2026 league year.

It dnt matter if he made 500 billion though..its easy to be understanding of his situation regardless if you believe he does deserve it or not. He just feels like he deserves more money than what he was offered and i feel him on that. I mean he a bitch if he leaves lmao but id still understand why. I wont be one of those people that gets mad about an already rich person holding out because he want more riches type dudes.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
It dnt matter if he made 500 billion though..its easy to be understanding of his situation regardless if you believe he does deserve it or not. He just feels like he deserves more money than what he was offered and i feel him on that. I mean he a bitch if he leaves lmao but id still understand why. I wont be one of those people that gets mad about an already rich person holding out because he want more riches type dudes.
Problem is his feelings are wrong, he’s over valuing himself and someone needs to get him straight. The longer he waits the more money he is losing. For me it’s not a matter of being mad about him making the money or maybe leaving, it’s about him fkn up the team dragging this thing out.
 
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Simba

Staff Member
Moderator
It dnt matter if he made 500 billion though..its easy to be understanding of his situation regardless if you believe he does deserve it or not. He just feels like he deserves more money than what he was offered and i feel him on that. I mean he a bitch if he leaves lmao but id still understand why. I wont be one of those people that gets mad about an already rich person holding out because he want more riches type dudes.
I don't blame a guy for trying to get what he feels he deserves. I'll always support the players in that regard. The issue here though is that literally no one is willing to give him what he wants. So where do you draw the line? Do you continue to just hope one of those offers come in, or do you take the fuck ton of money you've been offered already?

At the end of the day, this is proof that the Ravens had a really good pulse on the market while Lamar and his team did not, which is tied almost exclusively to his lack of agent.
 
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