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Lamar Jackson

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I mean I never saw anyone at any point say he was MVP. I saw them argue he should be in the conversation to be MVP which considering the record made sense (they were beating up on the dregs after all) and considering "in the conversation" is usually something they argue about for any of the top 8-9 guys I would say such a topic was warranted.

However arguing someone should be in the conversation is not the same thing as being a serious MVP candidate. For example after the first month of the year, last year, there were 3 MVP candidates: Mahomes, Hurts, and Allen. However, at multiple points through the year their were segments arguing that the following should be in the "conversation": Geno Smith, Tua, Justin Jefferson, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert, just to name a few, as there were others. These were all people who whenever they would have a good game, which was often, the national media would have a segment about whether they should be in the MVP conversation and then argue why they should be. However, none of them truly were because when push came to shove there were 3 real candidates for MVP after the first month.

The reason that I think Lamar is happy to have OBJ, is that he has realized the same thing that everyone on here has, and a thing that the national media seems unwilling to accept: nobody is going to meet Lamar's demands so he needs to prove himself on the tag. What that means is having a complete year where he looks like a top 10 QB and making it through that year relatively uninjured, at least playing the last few games. His hope is that if he can do that maybe someone gives him the money he wants. I do not think he will get the guarantees he wants from anyone but maybe someone gives him more if he shows he can play an entire season at a top 10 level, instead of for short spurts at a top 3-5 level, and he can remain healthy.
Well and I still think there's a decent chance he signs an extension before the deadline. Once he gets to July and realizes his value isn't going to be reached by anybody, he'll just have to make that decision.

While I think the tag is good for both sides in some ways, ultimately, the Ravens have made him very lucrative offers, of which I'm sure at least one or maybe all of them are still on the table for him to sign whenever he chooses. So its not like they really think he has to totally "prove himself" entirely. He just has to prove himself in the context of getting offers he wants, because he hasn't done enough of that yet.
 

Thezone27

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Well and I still think there's a decent chance he signs an extension before the deadline. Once he gets to July and realizes his value isn't going to be reached by anybody, he'll just have to make that decision.

While I think the tag is good for both sides in some ways, ultimately, the Ravens have made him very lucrative offers, of which I'm sure at least one or maybe all of them are still on the table for him to sign whenever he chooses. So its not like they really think he has to totally "prove himself" entirely. He just has to prove himself in the context of getting offers he wants, because he hasn't done enough of that yet.
The Ravens have given him fair offers. screw him if he thinks he's all goody and shit
 

JO_75

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I thought Atlanta was good with Desmond Riddler? Why they meeting with Will Levis if they aren't satisfied with Riddler? Why not make a play for Lamar?
 

BoredMarine13

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The reason that I think Lamar is happy to have OBJ, is that he has realized the same thing that everyone on here has, and a thing that the national media seems unwilling to accept: nobody is going to meet Lamar's demands so he needs to prove himself on the tag. What that means is having a complete year where he looks like a top 10 QB and making it through that year relatively uninjured, at least playing the last few games. His hope is that if he can do that maybe someone gives him the money he wants. I do not think he will get the guarantees he wants from anyone but maybe someone gives him more if he shows he can play an entire season at a top 10 level, instead of for short spurts at a top 3-5 level, and he can remain healthy.
It would be funny if we were all misreading this and Lamar really doesn’t want to come back regardless of OBJ. He was just leverage and helping his boy get top dollar
 

BoredMarine13

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I thought about this last night and slapped myself lol
It would be super shitty of Lamar and I highly doubt that’s the case , but still funny. Ultimate pettiness
 

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Dom McRaven

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I thought Atlanta was good with Desmond Riddler? Why they meeting with Will Levis if they aren't satisfied with Riddler? Why not make a play for Lamar?
I think it was their GM or Blank who said they were always looking to improve the team including the QB position. Something around those lines...
 

Militant X 1

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Man, I enjoyed OBJ's presser earlier yesterday. A very level-headed cat that seems to have matured over the years. I liked how he waved at Lamar and mentioned how he'd love to play with him. Again, hopefully, the Ravens and Lamar can get this deal done and finalized.
 

Tank

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Man, I enjoyed OBJ's presser earlier yesterday. A very level-headed cat that seems to have matured over the years. I liked how he waved at Lamar and mentioned how he'd love to play with him. Again, hopefully, the Ravens and Lamar can get this deal done and finalized.
Thinking maybe the plane video thing was a come to Jesus wake up moment for him. Would be cool to see a focused OBJ show up that isn’t an asshole.
 

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Ignoring the stupidity of using passer rating as a metric for anything (remember Jimmy G is 6th all time in passer rating ahead of the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Montana), I am wondering how they got that completion %. I did not bother adding up all the throws but I looked at all 5 years of Lamars completion %: 58.2, 66.1, 64.4, 64.4, and 62.3. That last one being good for 25th in the league which just highlights how insane it is to compare stats of different eras even ones 10 years ago. 10 years ago 65% completion was a great year and 60% was the expected, whereas now you expect 65% completion. This is why the average passer rating is up 10 points from a decade ago and why that crazy Jimmy G metric holds (note if you actually like Jimmy G right below him tied for 8th all time is Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott).

That QBR number also looks off though this one more in Lamars favor. I am genuinely curious how this person got that data because aside from it being irrelevant due to comparing different eras a lot of it looks wrong.
 
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Ignoring the stupidity of using passer rating as a metric for anything (remember Jimmy G is 6th all time in passer rating ahead of the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Montana), I am wondering how they got that completion %. I did not bother adding up all the throws but I looked at all 5 years of Lamars completion %: 58.2, 66.1, 64.4, 64.4, and 62.3. That last one being good for 25th in the league which just highlights how insane it is to compare stats of different eras even ones 10 years ago. 10 years ago 65% completion was a great year and 60% was the expected, whereas now you expect 65% completion. This is why the average passer rating is up 10 points from a decade ago and why that crazy Jimmy G metric holds (note if you actually like Jimmy G right below him tied for 8th all time is Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott).

That QBR number also looks off though this one more in Lamars favor. I am genuinely curious how this person got that data because aside from it being irrelevant due to comparing different eras a lot of it looks wrong.
Not to mention that Big Ben played in 249 games to Lamar’s 70 so far. Also, the “career in the pocket” stats are misleading because both QB’s have made much of their career outside of the pocket. I first saw that thing on FB. A meme posted by a very pro Lamar group with no references at all.

I’m too lazy to verify that data but I take it for what it’s worth.
 
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