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The Bad, the Ugly, and the Ravens: Week 17 Edition

RL52TheGreatest

Ravens Ring of Honor
Joe’s 2nd half could’ve been quite amazing. Boyle dropped what would have been a TD and Chris Moore bobbled a pick on a sure first down that could’ve ended in a TD instead returned for a pick 6. He could have ended the game with 4 TDs realistically speaking. Seriously, we need playmakers in the worst way.

His first half could have been better, as well. He was a bit off on his accuracy in the first half, but how many passes did Wallace and the other WRs drop? We need more playmakers and we could also use a new WRs coach.
 
His first half could have been better, as well. He was a bit off on his accuracy in the first half, but how many passes did Wallace and the other WRs drop? We need more playmakers and we could also use a new WRs coach.
Of course, he was actually pretty awful the first half but the 2nd half is did a complete 180, if he wasn’t working with such an atrocious receiving group we probably could’ve put the game away. Boyle and Moore blew some big opportunities.

People also need to realize the defense also takes plenty of blame for how the game turned out. Oh, they made stops? How about the fact that they allowed an opening drive TD, 146 rushing yards against the 31st run offense, no pass rush against a back up OL unit that was one of the worst in the league in pass protecting, and a go ahead TD with 58 seconds left on 4th&12....after the offense gave them the lead...they were gassed? They played 1 snap midway through the 3rd qtr coming off half time. They allowed 24 points, nearly 400 yards and managed 1 turnover. That’s hardly a good performance.

It’s been the theme of the last few seasons, Joe does enough, offense gets the lead, and defense blows it when it matters most. That’s what it comes down to. IMO.
 

Truth

Staff Member
Administrator
Serious question. That last drive, was bwill even on the field?
Good eye, and not a single snap. Willie Henry and Za'Darius Smith took most of the snaps on the interior. Michael Pierce subbed in for a few snaps before Henry subbed back in.
 

Truth

Staff Member
Administrator
On another note, I feel that we can apply the second TD to Chuck Clark (Link). I had questions about the responsibilities from the onset and figured to defer my judgement until the coaches tape was available. The announcers appropriated the blame onto Eric Weddle. It looks to be a standard two-man under, with Weddle and Tony Jefferson equal distance from the right hash. The result is partly influenced by Jefferson doubling underneath onto Tyler Boyd with Brandon Carr. But Clark bites on the pump by Andy Dalton and inadvertently passes off Tyler Croft to the respective deep half while hesitating towards Giovanni Bernard. I haven't had the chance to go over his tape in particular, but I do recall the following play from the live feed where I was disappointed with his lack of feel of A.J. Green passing his hook zone (Link). Perhaps the two plays are anomalies from an otherwise solid game.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Good eye, and not a single snap. Willie Henry and Za'Darius Smith took most of the snaps on the interior. Michael Pierce subbed in for a few snaps before Henry subbed back in.

I’m starting to organise my feelings about pees and to overly simplify it this is the key points

- he’s a safety blanket to bad play whereby he elevated bad talent and can help good players but I don’t think he’s someone who would ever have allowed us to be dominant and this might well be the perfect time for him to move on
- so we no longer have a comfort blanket to hold onto but I’m also excited about seeing how we might see different personnel usage which has been my biggest personal gripe all year with the defence and a lot of that is down to our usage particularly of the dline and olbs
 

arnie_uk

Veteran


Good breakdown of the final play.

Isnt that a very similar type defense we ran in the 4th qtr against pitts that killed us? Showing a gap blitz then dropping off into zones and getting shredded up the seam by the slot and tight end
 

arnie_uk

Veteran
Good eye, and not a single snap. Willie Henry and Za'Darius Smith took most of the snaps on the interior. Michael Pierce subbed in for a few snaps before Henry subbed back in.
So our 54 million dollar defender didnt play a single snap on the last drives of the last 2 seasons? Whys that? Maybe it's cause he can't generate pressure and it isnt the year 2000 anymore
 

Truth

Staff Member
Administrator
Good breakdown of the final play.
I'm somewhat surprised to hear the coverage be referred to as a Tampa 2 variation. From my understanding, Tampa 2 refers to zone coverages wherein the MLB drops to the middle third. On this particular play, Eric Weddle was closest to the area, playing just above the sticks. C.J. Mosley and Chuck Clark were covering the deep seam/hooks. In my eyes, and this is purely my initial interpretation, but it ended up appearing to be more akin to a combo-coverage three-deep variation of the Cover 2 sink, with man coverage on the outside.

We came out in a dime package, specifically 3-2-6. Matthew Judon, Willie Henry and Za'Darius Smith are technically down linemen in three point stances. Terrell Suggs is in a two-point stance and is therefore an ROLB. Weddle makes a check to Chuck Clark, pointing out his zone, after Andy Dalton motions TE C.J. Uzomah to the right slot and motions RB Giovanni Bernard to the inside, who runs a delayed hitch route after protecting the A-gaps. Weddle shuffles backwards into his zone, settling in underneath, sitting down closer to the vertical seam than the actual middle third. That to me signifies the Cover 2 sink, which when in a three-deep package, sends the two outside safeties to cover the deep halves outside of the hashes and sits the middle safety in the vertical seam. I should mention that it's normally run out of the quarter package, which gives me reason to question my interpretation. That aside, not only is it countered perfectly by Tyler Boyd's go route from the right outside slot, but Canady also sees Mosley in front of Boyd and sells out to Brandon LaFell, quickly flipping his hips toward the sideline and drifting in LaFell's direction. Upon realizing that Boyd is the intended target, instead of flipping his hips back inside, he makes a full turn-around the other way, losing Boyd's location in the process, overestimating his depth, and ultimately overrunning the route and the tackle lane. In short, from the attempt to basically double LaFell and the poor coordination that followed, it was among the worst ways to perform the task.

That being said, in my personal opinion, a significant portion of the onus falls on the play call, which as per usual, begun with multiple defenders showing faux A-gap blitzes, causing them to run to their zones and then react afterwards. To Pees' partial defense, we did send a couple of blitzes on the drive, so it wasn't entirely an empty threat. But on a 4th and 12, why not allow your defenders to sit in their zones and guard the sticks instead of worrying about getting to their placements first? To me, it's a microcosm of the same issue that was on tape for multiple weeks, which was innately there to exploit due to the design of our zone looks. I do feel that if Canady simply backpedaled like Weddle and Jefferson, instead of starring down LaFell before the ball was even throw, that he'd have a clear chance to prevent the completion. But like the execution, the call itself left a lot to be desired as well.
 

Sledge Hammer

Pro Bowler
Good eye, and not a single snap. Willie Henry and Za'Darius Smith took most of the snaps on the interior. Michael Pierce subbed in for a few snaps before Henry subbed back in.

Seriously, Not a single play?? It's BS like this I don't like our management very much. As tight as we are against the cap. And breaking open the bank for a one dimensional run plugging space eater. And it's not like he is overly dominant at that. Big Bods that can only plug holes and blockers come a dime a dozen. There were a couple in the middle rounds of the draft like DJ Jones. He actually has some playmaking athleticism. If we would of drafted Grady over Carl Davis there wouldn't be a need to pay Williams that $60Mil!!
 

Truth

Staff Member
Administrator
So our 54 million dollar defender didnt play a single snap on the last drives of the last 2 seasons? Whys that? Maybe it's cause he can't generate pressure and it isnt the year 2000 anymore
Definitely would prefer to see more production in that area than the 15 total disruptions on the year, even with the limited snaps. But to your point, the latter is part of the issue.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Still can't believe with the additions of Jefferson, MaClin, Woodhead, and Carr we only managed one more win than last year.
Sometimes teams records are worse than previous years, yet the team improves overall. You can’t really go by that
 

DeVito52

Ravens Ring of Honor
Still can't believe with the additions of Jefferson, MaClin, Woodhead, and Carr we only managed one more win than last year.
Literally all of them were very underwhelming. Carr was decent for most of the season and what I expected. But even woodhead was a piece we didn’t really use or probably even need. Just wasted money. Should’ve just kept smoke
 

Sledge Hammer

Pro Bowler
I'm somewhat surprised to hear the coverage be referred to as a Tampa 2 variation. From my understanding, Tampa 2 refers to zone coverages wherein the MLB drops to the middle third. On this particular play, Eric Weddle was closest to the area, playing just above the sticks. C.J. Mosley and Chuck Clark were covering the deep seam/hooks. In my eyes, and this is purely my initial interpretation, but it ended up appearing to be more akin to a combo-coverage three-deep variation of the Cover 2 sink, with man coverage on the outside.

We came out in a dime package, specifically 3-2-6. Matthew Judon, Willie Henry and Za'Darius Smith are technically down linemen in three point stances. Terrell Suggs is in a two-point stance and is therefore an ROLB. Weddle makes a check to Chuck Clark, pointing out his zone, after Andy Dalton motions TE C.J. Uzomah to the right slot and motions RB Giovanni Bernard to the inside, who runs a delayed hitch route after protecting the A-gaps. Weddle shuffles backwards into his zone, settling in underneath, sitting down closer to the vertical seam than the actual middle third. That to me signifies the Cover 2 sink, which when in a three-deep package, sends the two outside safeties to cover the deep halves outside of the hashes and sits the middle safety in the vertical seam. I should mention that it's normally run our of the quarter package, which gives me reason to question my interpretation. That aside, not only is it countered perfectly by Tyler Boyd's go route from the right outside slot, but Canady also sees Mosley in front of Boyd and sells out to Brandon LaFell, quickly flipping his hips toward the sideline and drifting in LaFell's direction. Upon realizing that Boyd is the intended target, instead of flipping his hips back inside, he makes a full turn-around the other way, losing Boyd's location in the process, overestimating his depth, and ultimately overrunning the route and the tackle lane. In short, from the attempt to basically double LaFell and the poor coordination that followed, it was among the worst ways to perform the task.

That being said, in my personal opinion, a significant portion of the onus falls on the play call, which as per usual, begun with multiple defenders showing faux A-gap blitzes, causing them to run to their zones and then react afterwards. To Pees' partial defense, we did send a couple of blitzes on the drive, so it wasn't entirely an empty threat. But on a 4th and 12, why not allow your defenders to sit in their zones and guard the sticks instead of worrying about getting to their placements first? To me, it's a microcosm of the same issue that was on tape for multiple weeks, which was innately there to exploit due to the design of our zone looks. I do feel that if Canady simply backpedaled like Weddle and Jefferson, instead of starring down LaFell before the ball was even throw, that he'd have a clear chance to prevent the completion. But like the execution, the call itself left a lot to be desired as well.

On tv it looked as if we were guarding the end zone Moreso first down stick?? A more aggressive defense of the stick would make a completion that much harder and closed out the game. Yet execution and tackling was so humiliating that the bengals did what the play was primarily designed to prevent. The go ahead score.

On a side note I said I really think Claiborne was gonna play a complete season. If management signed him over Carr, ravens are playing this week.
 
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