Oldfaithful
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I know this... But there's one solution to fix the ignorance......
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2018 Free Agency
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cdp
Ravens Ring of Honor
Like Lost said the F.O made a mistake in paying B.Williams a gigantic premium. But we can't let CJ go. Ozzie/DeCosta has to pay him as of now. You can't find another mike that easy. He might not be the most athletic guy. But he made great picks like against the Jags in 16 or the Bengals in 17.
Tru11
Practice Squad
the problem is players getting caught by the hard count and thus giving away their intentions.
calling an audible on such short notice while the QB can snap it at any moment will only lead to confusion and increases the odds on a big play.
best you can do is make slight adjustments.
unless ofcourse you have a veteran defense with a few HOFers....
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
i love Mosley, one of the top LBs without question and yes, he makes our defense go, but my issue is that we have failed miserably by paying players for what they have done, rather than paying for what you project them to do. The flacco extension, the pitta contract, the ray rice contract, the bwill contract, it goes on.
Mosley had a lot of city miles coming out of college, he was already beat up, he's played through a lot of injuries as a pro, he isn't the fastest or most athletic guy already, It gives me reason to pause. The patriots for example, get a players best years and will let a player who appears in their prime just walk in FA, only to look brilliant when said player signs a huge deal and then declines... we need to do that, avoid the cap hell we placed ourselves in and learn from our mistakes.
I hate saying this, I understand what you guys are saying about cj, you legitimately can't get much better than him, but you can't tell me that you would be ok with him, with his long history of playing through injuries and already showing signs of age, having a 12m+ cap hit in year 8-9 with too much dead cap to cut him if he does decline? Because that's how his deal is gonna be structured. Mosley gives me a bad feeling of a guy who's gonna spend the last 2-3 years of his deal on the trainers table with a double digit cap hit.
I just think that with this inevitable rebuild coming, we'd be really hurting our future team with this, big picture. It hurts to suggest this, it really does, but I don't think Mosley has a long career that stretches out for 8-9 quality seasons.
Mosley had a lot of city miles coming out of college, he was already beat up, he's played through a lot of injuries as a pro, he isn't the fastest or most athletic guy already, It gives me reason to pause. The patriots for example, get a players best years and will let a player who appears in their prime just walk in FA, only to look brilliant when said player signs a huge deal and then declines... we need to do that, avoid the cap hell we placed ourselves in and learn from our mistakes.
I hate saying this, I understand what you guys are saying about cj, you legitimately can't get much better than him, but you can't tell me that you would be ok with him, with his long history of playing through injuries and already showing signs of age, having a 12m+ cap hit in year 8-9 with too much dead cap to cut him if he does decline? Because that's how his deal is gonna be structured. Mosley gives me a bad feeling of a guy who's gonna spend the last 2-3 years of his deal on the trainers table with a double digit cap hit.
I just think that with this inevitable rebuild coming, we'd be really hurting our future team with this, big picture. It hurts to suggest this, it really does, but I don't think Mosley has a long career that stretches out for 8-9 quality seasons.
Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
He's a good player, a smart player, a great onfield voice and presence.
No way, however do I make him the highest paid linebacker in the game simply because that's the cost of doing business. I would sooner franchise and eat 14 million that year. At least I'm getting six prime years and not paying for the backend of a career.
How long before it's a question of getting diminishing returns on the investment?
No way, however do I make him the highest paid linebacker in the game simply because that's the cost of doing business. I would sooner franchise and eat 14 million that year. At least I'm getting six prime years and not paying for the backend of a career.
How long before it's a question of getting diminishing returns on the investment?
You also can’t project those sorts of injuries because he’s not missed many games so far in his career - and the only way he ends up with guaranteed money at the end of his deal that would make him unreleasable if he gets injured is if we keep restructuring him and pushing guaranteed money further down the deal - if he gets 5yrs, 60+ with 29-31 guaranteed - we’ll be fine + there’d be very little guaranteed money in years 4 and 5 as well as the new CBA happening in year 3’s offseason which would potentially change the way guaranteed money and the salary cap works anyway...
And that’s kind of selective thinking with regards to the pats because they keep important players who they like at important positions
We get into cap hell by restructuring deals with injured players or injury prone players - I think it’s obvious from the lack of a jimmy smith extension that we are determined to change that culture a bit - the contracts themselves are built so that a 5 year deal is always essentially a 3 year deal + 2 option years
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
It's not about projecting injuries, it's about seeing how many injuries have consistently piled up and will absolutely be taking a toll on him when he's nearing 30, and you have to understand that he doesn't have to be missing games, he doesn't have to be playing through injuries, if the consistent knicks and bruises take a toll then he could be perfectly and still be hampered just because his body is damaged goods and his body ages faster because of it all. It happens a lot. Ed Reed, Todd heap, ngata, cmac, just a few guys who's bodies began to age really fast due to minor to moderate injuries piling up over the years.
Tru11
Practice Squad
id take any of those banged up guys over the crap we have now.
But again, you’re throwing away a player who is the best in the league at their position because they MIGHT decline at some point
It’s football, it’s a game of attrition and unpredictable physicality - every team has to pay guys who could decline before the end of their contract of else they aren’t going to keep good players
Good players inevitably play more than bad players and therefore take more punishment
You can’t just let a player leave and not pay them because you have a “bad feeling” - that’s not a tenable way to run a team
The only reason not to pay him is if the medical staff indicate there’s a problem or potential future problem and as we’ve seen recently our staff are fairly stringent on medicals but we’ve still gone to the negotiating table with CJ
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Ravens fans got bitten by bad contract extensions so hard that they don't trust any player anymore. You all need to chill out, Mosley will be a Raven until he retires, with 4-5 more pro bowls to his name.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I would too lol but we have none of them and we likely won't have guys of that caliber until we hit full rebuild mode and clear up a shitload of dead weight
It's not a bad feeling it's an educated guess based on the rough mileage he's had so far and his level of athleticism that doesn't exactly give him a step or 2 that he can lose. I'm torn on Mosley, not saying one way or another, just playing devils advocate because I think a long term market changing deal for him is extremely risky
First part basically explains it. I also think he's a raven til he retires but I think that retirement could come earlier than we would all like, he's not looking like a guy who's gonna have a productive 10 year career, I'll give him 3 more years at this level of play barring any injuries.
Tru11
Practice Squad
mosley is up there with those guys though or at least the closest we have.( Reed is a few tiers above them all).
if any banged up player on the ravens is worth taking a chance its him along with jimmy and yanda.
stanley probably to at this point.
quite frankly if he can give us 3 to 4 more years at a high level then its worth the money.
he might have to hang out with carr more to figure out how one can remain healthy.
might as well have jimmy tag along to take notes lol
but i dont get how that's different to luke kuechly's concussion issues or vontaze burfict's suspension issues etc.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Because kuechly is a far superior talent who can afford to lose a few steps and still be elite. Burfict shouldn't get a blockbuster deal, no way.
cobrajet
Hall of Famer
Wow, it will be interesting to see how this develops.
The Lions have the upper hand at this point.
cobrajet
Hall of Famer
I learn a lot from these guys!