Agree, I'm on the fence with Roman as well and I absolutely do see see Culley as a big part of the problem. If anyone was to take over for Roman on this staff, I'd want it to be Urban.
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Agree, I'm on the fence with Roman as well and I absolutely do see see Culley as a big part of the problem. If anyone was to take over for Roman on this staff, I'd want it to be Urban.
cdp
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I'd fire all three of them. I feel like Harris has done more for Lamar than Urban. Or why do you want them to promote Urban in this hypothetical case? Maybe I'm still overreacting...
id wondered about bringing harris in full-time after the 2019 offseason but sounds like he's not interested - i think he's a full-time english teacher down in florida (maybe im mis-remembering but i think it's something like that)
but for sure it feels like the best progress lamar has made has always been with harris (and the tom house stuff he did in 2019 too) and not urban albeit it's hard to parse out what development and coaching can be attributed to who
not that ive been particularly inspired by culley but in his defence we were all saying fire Bobby Engram too - this lack of home-grown WRs has now lasted multiple WR coaches and multiple GMs - the one obvious answer i can come up with is that we just havent been taking enough shots at WR talents high enough (and that we've not been very good evaluating what traits and production translate well from college to the NFL)
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I’m not joking here but I wonder what if we made an offer to the PIT WR coach to be OC. At the very least we know he should at least be able to spot talent at the position and use it. I wonder if we got him and implemented some of Roman’s run schemes whether it would be good enough. I’ve just lost faith in Roman and I believe the players have too because of their execution. It’s easy to say the players suck (they have) but if you’re a player who doesn’t trust your OC then yeah you will suck. I just can’t believe these guys lack talent so I’m thinking an easy solution is replace the coach. I don’t think you can really get worse at this point than where we are. I like what Roman did for us but it is time for a change.
Maybe even offer Jordan Palmer a position as QB coach if you want to shake up all three spots. He certainly worked wonders with Allen.
cdp
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Call Mike McDaniel from the 49ers and make him our new OC.
the problem with that is which Steelers WR coach do we want lol - they've had 3 since 2017 and the current guy's just finished his first year on the job having just been hired from washington
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and have him come here and run shanahans' scheme. In my eyes the best offensive scheme in today's NFL.
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If you were Eric DeCosta, would you trade Lamar Jackson even up for Deshaun Watson?
If it is true and the players have lost confidence in Greg Roman's scheme than I don't think he will be retained.
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Watson wouldn’t do anything with our personnel/play calling. I’d love to revisit this after the draft, though
i mean maybe there's an adaptation that fits with lamar but so much of shanahan's offence is predicated on under center, outside zone, play-action boot stuff (at least from what i understand)
and sure some of that would be cool but im not sure outside zone is a great fit for the types of OL guys we've got right now and i think being under center a lot takes a way a lot of the threat of lamar as a runner - i think JK would do great running outside zone tbf but not sure it's a great fit for the rest of the personnel we have
but maybe there's a good adaptation that combines elements of shanahan's scheme that you can mesh well with lamar (and the rest of this offence's) skillset but i dont see what that fit is personally (but readily admit im not that well versed in scheme-based complexities)
Grim
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No.
Yeah, that’s just my belief from what I have seen. I don’t have any source here or anything. I just know what it looked like when I played football and other sports. When the players lost faith in the coach you saw doubt, hesitation while playing, they would speak out (like Hollywood), they would look disinterested in the game, etc. Guys on defense don’t do this really but offense do and I think it stops with Roman.
Stanley could do it but defnitely not Brown and not sure any of our interior would be a good fit in an outside zbs. Not at all. Also agree that JK would be a very good fit. However our offensive coaches need to look at his passing concepts along with many of the other top passing offenses in the league and see if they can work it into our scheme.
I think I knew you played football back from the br.com boards, but I don't remember what position you played. I know @29BmoreBird22 played defensive back.
cdp
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Yeah I agree. Orlando Brown's contract is up next year though. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but i think he's the only one who's not suited for an outside zone scheme.
I mean I look what Shanahan is able to do, despite Garoppolo and key offensive players on IR. He turns normal rbs into monsters. You see wrs making plays whose names you haven't heard before. He calls an offense which puts his players in position to make plays according to their respective strengths