if we have multiple guys available at 28 I would hope we would trade down and accumulate picks rather than trade up and have less resources, but that's just me.
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Sami84
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if there is anyway we could trade our 1st for an early 2nd and early 3rd i'd jump on that. say 28 > 36 and 72nd pick
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
We’re not trading for a qb but we’d be trading to nail needed stars at needed positions for a 3-4 super bowl window.
subtle trade ups are what we should be doing right now honestly, as long as we are doing it wisely and getting good players.
making 10-12 selections every draft is what you do when you are building a roster, when you have already paid your qb and you have to continuously hit on 2-3 future starters every draft class, in other words, it’s what you do to scrape by and stay competitive when you have joe Flacco making 20+ per year for 6 seasons and multiple players with mega deals not even seeing the field.
but when you have lamar Jackson, Mark Andrews, Orlando brown jr, marlon Humphrey, Ronnie Stanley, Chuck Clark, Hollywood brown, and potentially Myles Boykin, on rather cheap deals, you can move up to land a stud to fill a need.
I don't mind a small trade up, but I also don't want to give up valuable resources that can be used for good starters in the 2nd round.
interestingly (i think it was DJ who said this but it could be one of the other draftniks around) but Saban said of him that he came into the room at Bama at a bad time where the other guys on the DL were bad influences on a pretty impressionable and fairly immature young man and that immaturity festered for a little while so he ends up coasting off his talent and a great first year (with incredible surrounding talent) before putting up an absolute stinker in year 2
saban says ultimately he's a good kid but it took him a while to understand how to be
but the thing that DJ said that was most interesting was that they had an interview with raekwon davis almost immediately afterward and Davis said the exact same thing as Saban - that he had been immature but realised that and has been working on it ever since that realisation
i wonder if that might be the sense you're getting and if it is then it sounds like it's very much in the past but that the locker room he goes into at the beginning of his pro career will probably have a major impact on how his career goes - a good locker room that helps him create good habits could turn him into the superstar that he was always hyped as but never became at Bama, a bad locker room or bad coaching staff/culture could see him develop bad habits and need a change of scenery after his rookie contract
i dont foresee him being or having any attitude problems in baltimore if he gets drafted here and i definitely dont hate him in the 2nd - i just dont love the idea of getting a LB and following it up with a run-stuffing DL - it's the philosophy of it (and value) that i dont like rather than raekwon as a prospect
FYI the more i watch of murray the even less he seems like remotely the guy the ravens would/should draft in the 1st round - he just doesnt have the characteristics of what we've traditionally looked for in our LBs at any point in franchise history - and that is one position where we've had tons of success - i dont know why we'd change that now
absolutely - interestingly on the draft trade chart (obviously a guideline not the rule and ignores the value of the 5th year option) our 2 2nd rounders are worth an equivalent amount to the 29th pick
so its certainly possible/feasible
tbf, DeCosta was apparently even looking at the price to do something like that last year after we got hollywood - he was looking hard at the possibility of getting up to a decent pick in the 2nd round to get Cody Ford - and that was without even having a 2nd round pick to begin with (just the 2 3rd rounders)
so EDC is clearly more likely to get aggressive for a player he covets at a place in the draft where that player is at the intersection of being the right prospect at the right position at the right draft pick - and EDC clearly has an idea of what those prospects and values look like
you're assuming our offence wont change, when clearly it will, as has been signalled by bisciotti and by the trading away of hayden
this offence is going to develop every year with lamar's development as a passer and as we add receiving options around him
you're right i think a lot of talent we will really covet is going to disappear between 28 and 55
JAAM
Hall of Famer
Oh wow. Didn’t know that. That’s great and I hope we take advantage with how much we suck at picking 2nd rounders
yep and he said it cost too much to go up and get Ford. There definitely is a fine line though.
Would be an interesting solution to that 2nd round problem - just always trade out of the 2nd round however you can - be it trade up, trade down or even trade future picks lol...
I just find it interesting seeing how high he was looking to go up despite limited capital
I don’t think we’re going to do a massive trade up this year but 2019 shows us he was willing to go big (for the right price) with much less ammunition
It means he was talking about trading up into the low-mid 30s with the 85th pick
If there’s someone he likes he won’t hesitate with the 55th (or 92nd) is what that tells me
trading up higher in the 2nd could be what we end up doing, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see us trade back in the 2nd for the right price.
cdp
Ravens Ring of Honor
I've run some mock drafts and I don't see much value in the first at all (no worthy edge and wr) . Our 1st for two 2nds this year or a 2nd and enough ammo to trade up into the 2nd.
Imho the 2nd and 3rd round is extremely deep in term of talent
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
i think the 3rd round is full of talent and i think the top of the 2nd round is full of talent but i think the difference between the 45th player and the 85th player on my board is not that big - there's a long list of players i really like in the 1st round and it's likely at least 7 or 8 of them fall into the 2nd round but i dont expect that fall to make it to 55
there's a short list of players i like in the 2nd round and i dont expect any to make it to 92
there's a huge list of players i like in the 3rd round and i fully expect enough to be available that we still take 3rd round talents in the 4th round
the thing about the 1st round is it might be we dont end up with a WR or an EDGE but i think we end up with a major talent but it might be DL or S or LB as much as it might be EDGE or WR or IOL - i dont think it would be CB but there'll be some highly talented CBs although id recommend any CB needy team to trade down into the 2nd round because there's about 6 of them i love between 27th and 47th on my board
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Absolutely, there’s a sharp drop off probably in the 40s, where that post drop-off crop of players can be fairly even in talent level all the way until Somewhere in the early-mid 4th.
For instance if we miss out on a wr in 1, you have a guy like Brandon aiyuk in 2, who really shouldn’t be regarded much higher than a kj hill, van jefferson, quartney davis, James proche, Devin duvernay, or Isaiah hodgins, most of whom are gonna be going somewhere on day 3.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
The more we discuss the more I like the thought of trading up from our 2, but only if we land the right player at 28.
if mims, epenesa, and Ruiz are off the board at 28, we need to trade back, there’s simply no player worth it, if we can move back say to somewhere in the 30s and pick up an early 3 it would be ideal. Tee Higgins isn’t a guy I necessarily value but if we could land him after a hefty trade back I’d be ecstatic, then you have Malik Harrison who’s become a favorite of mine, I still for some reason have a liking for josh uche, and that’s a pairing I wouldn’t hate because they’re great complements of contrasting styles that have their place on the field together, then there’s the strong DL class in the 30s-40s, Robert Hunt needs to be on our short list for R2 along with cushenberry, you could even pair those 2 up with R2 picks and have our OL set for Lamar’s entire rookie deal.
but all in all, my favorite option is one that isn’t unrealistic, add a game changer for this team on each side of the ball by picking at 28 and trading back up to pick on the opposite side of the ball, for instance, mims at 28 and then epenesa or queen or Baun after a trade up. Just take a potential superstar at a sexy position for each side of the ball early
if mims, epenesa, and Ruiz are off the board at 28, we need to trade back, there’s simply no player worth it, if we can move back say to somewhere in the 30s and pick up an early 3 it would be ideal. Tee Higgins isn’t a guy I necessarily value but if we could land him after a hefty trade back I’d be ecstatic, then you have Malik Harrison who’s become a favorite of mine, I still for some reason have a liking for josh uche, and that’s a pairing I wouldn’t hate because they’re great complements of contrasting styles that have their place on the field together, then there’s the strong DL class in the 30s-40s, Robert Hunt needs to be on our short list for R2 along with cushenberry, you could even pair those 2 up with R2 picks and have our OL set for Lamar’s entire rookie deal.
but all in all, my favorite option is one that isn’t unrealistic, add a game changer for this team on each side of the ball by picking at 28 and trading back up to pick on the opposite side of the ball, for instance, mims at 28 and then epenesa or queen or Baun after a trade up. Just take a potential superstar at a sexy position for each side of the ball early
JO_75
Hall of Famer
An interesting read from Matt MIller on the latest draft rumors...
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...k-latest-2020-draft-rumors-for-every-nfl-team
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...k-latest-2020-draft-rumors-for-every-nfl-team