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JoeyFlex5 said:
i think 2019 ET is pretty clearly a better on the field player than either of our starting safeties, its just not such a black and white topic, because being a better safety doesnt mean hes the best option. in our defense you simply cannot have your FS freelancing, too much risk in what is essentially a cover 1 defense in its base, and team chemistry is just more important than some people want to admit.
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Elliott barely played in 2019 due to his knee injury, but I agree ET was much better, especially in coverage.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
i think 2019 ET is pretty clearly a better on the field player than either of our starting safeties, its just not such a black and white topic, because being a better safety doesnt mean hes the best option. in our defense you simply cannot have your FS freelancing, too much risk in what is essentially a cover 1 defense in its base, and team chemistry is just more important than some people want to admit.
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No one here explains why though. There is absolutely 0% ET 2019 is better than both of our safeties put together. In this system or in anyone else’s system.
 
Sizzle said:
No one here explains why though. There is absolutely 0% ET 2019 is better than both of our safeties put together. In this system or in anyone else’s system.
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That's because the person who made that claim is either exaggerating or doesn't know what they're talking about. That's why its not explainable.

Quite frankly, it would take ET like 3-5 years to learn how to play Safety the way Chuck Clark does, i.e. do what he does schematically and in the run game. In my eyes, trying to compare ET to Clark is like comparing Ed Reed to Bernard Pollard. It's probably not that extreme, but there's various responsibility and technique differences between the two that really make them difficult to compare.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
That's because the person who made that claim is either exaggerating or doesn't know what they're talking about. That's why its not explainable.
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Thank you. I’ll admit, ET was solid in his role here. He allowed Wink to have flexibility and allowed Wink to be creative with his pressures. But it’s not like ET was dominating Ed Reed style by any means. And that’s what quite a few posters make it out to be
 
Sizzle said:
Thank you. I’ll admit, ET was solid in his role here. He allowed Wink to have flexibility and allowed Wink to be creative with his pressures. But it’s not like ET was dominating Ed Reed style by any means. And that’s what quite a few posters make it out to be
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He was a really good player at a position that many teams in the league simply don't value that much. The Ravens may value Safety more than any other team in the league quite frankly, though I'm not yet convinced that still holds true with Wink as DC. If he were such a stud that he was extremely critical to our defense, we would have tolerated the locker room fighting and found a way to work it out.

Did he make our defense better? Yes. Did he make life easier for Wink? Yes. Does the defense go into the tank and start giving up a lot more big plays and struggle to win games because he's gone? No.

I do think that one of the bigger storylines going into 2022 will be what the Ravens want to do at Safety. I do NOT think they believe Elliott is the FS here for the next 6-8 years. I think they'll try to keep him at a team friendly deal, much similar to Clark (who I think they clearly like better), and I think Safety may be one of, if not the biggest, areas that the Ravens will look to address in the 2022 offseason. I think finding a rangier, more ball-hawking, better in pass coverage FS is a high priority for them in the next year or two. I think they'd love to keep Elliott as a 3rd safety or as a rover-type who can play nickel/dime and still help out in the run game. I think they'd have a trio of Safeties then that would go up against anybody in the league. You add in Marlon and Peters, and you're in a good spot in the secondary.
 
Sizzle said:
No one here explains why though. There is absolutely 0% ET 2019 is better than both of our safeties put together. In this system or in anyone else’s system.
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Because earl thomas has a higher football iq in coverage than Elliott, to put it simply. If we’re facing the chiefs whos only struggles tend to come again 2 high looks, would you rather have Elliott or thomas as the primary deep safety?
rmcjacket23 said:
That's because the person who made that claim is either exaggerating or doesn't know what they're talking about. That's why its not explainable.

Quite frankly, it would take ET like 3-5 years to learn how to play Safety the way Chuck Clark does, i.e. do what he does schematically and in the run game. In my eyes, trying to compare ET to Clark is like comparing Ed Reed to Bernard Pollard. It's probably not that extreme, but there's various responsibility and technique differences between the two that really make them difficult to compare.
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I’m not trying to compare thomas to Clark, I’m trying to say that if we have 2 safeties who play like strong safeties, and we struggle against a team like the chiefs, then I feel like thomas over Elliott, assuming thomas sticks to the gameplan and isn’t hungover and punching teammates, would give us a better chance at stopping what our biggest rival does best. If you’re saying that you’d take Elliott in deep coverage over 2019 ET then I’d say you’re the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Elliott is a very aggressive safety who plays his best when he’s coming downhill, and as a result he’s had more than his fair share of moments where he’s caught flat footed and gives up big plays. He does very well all things considered, and helps vs a team like the browns or Titans where a violent mf like Elliott really shines, but we still have yet to figure out the chiefs, and I believe a tandem of Clark and thomas would help us get over that hump more than Clark and Elliott.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
That's because the person who made that claim is either exaggerating or doesn't know what they're talking about. That's why its not explainable.

Quite frankly, it would take ET like 3-5 years to learn how to play Safety the way Chuck Clark does, i.e. do what he does schematically and in the run game. In my eyes, trying to compare ET to Clark is like comparing Ed Reed to Bernard Pollard. It's probably not that extreme, but there's various responsibility and technique differences between the two that really make them difficult to compare.
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It would take et 3-5 yrs to play like clark? Lmaooo cmon man. There isnt any comparison for ET, clark and elliot lol. They shouldnt even be compared tbh
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Because earl thomas has a higher football iq in coverage than Elliott, to put it simply. If we’re facing the chiefs whos only struggles tend to come again 2 high looks, would you rather have Elliott or thomas as the primary deep safety?

I’m not trying to compare thomas to Clark, I’m trying to say that if we have 2 safeties who play like strong safeties, and we struggle against a team like the chiefs, then I feel like thomas over Elliott, assuming thomas sticks to the gameplan and isn’t hungover and punching teammates, would give us a better chance at stopping what our biggest rival does best. If you’re saying that you’d take Elliott in deep coverage over 2019 ET then I’d say you’re the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Elliott is a very aggressive safety who plays his best when he’s coming downhill, and as a result he’s had more than his fair share of moments where he’s caught flat footed and gives up big plays. He does very well all things considered, and helps vs a team like the browns or Titans where a violent mf like Elliott really shines, but we still have yet to figure out the chiefs, and I believe a tandem of Clark and thomas would help us get over that hump more than Clark and Elliott.
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Put it this way, elliot isnt even in teams game plan lol.. all they say when it comes to him is “ he hits really hard”
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Because earl thomas has a higher football iq in coverage than Elliott, to put it simply. If we’re facing the chiefs whos only struggles tend to come again 2 high looks, would you rather have Elliott or thomas as the primary deep safety?

I’m not trying to compare thomas to Clark, I’m trying to say that if we have 2 safeties who play like strong safeties, and we struggle against a team like the chiefs, then I feel like thomas over Elliott, assuming thomas sticks to the gameplan and isn’t hungover and punching teammates, would give us a better chance at stopping what our biggest rival does best. If you’re saying that you’d take Elliott in deep coverage over 2019 ET then I’d say you’re the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Elliott is a very aggressive safety who plays his best when he’s coming downhill, and as a result he’s had more than his fair share of moments where he’s caught flat footed and gives up big plays. He does very well all things considered, and helps vs a team like the browns or Titans where a violent mf like Elliott really shines, but we still have yet to figure out the chiefs, and I believe a tandem of Clark and thomas would help us get over that hump more than Clark and Elliott.
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LMFAO so goddamn true
 
Sizzle said:
Thank you. I’ll admit, ET was solid in his role here. He allowed Wink to have flexibility and allowed Wink to be creative with his pressures. But it’s not like ET was dominating Ed Reed style by any means. And that’s what quite a few posters make it out to be
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Lol nobody thinks ET dominated. Its simple fact that our current safties arent better than him.. we can replace both clark and elliot with ease.. clark maybe a little harder but elliot he is not good whatsoever
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Because earl thomas has a higher football iq in coverage than Elliott, to put it simply. If we’re facing the chiefs whos only struggles tend to come again 2 high looks, would you rather have Elliott or thomas as the primary deep safety?

I’m not trying to compare thomas to Clark, I’m trying to say that if we have 2 safeties who play like strong safeties, and we struggle against a team like the chiefs, then I feel like thomas over Elliott, assuming thomas sticks to the gameplan and isn’t hungover and punching teammates, would give us a better chance at stopping what our biggest rival does best. If you’re saying that you’d take Elliott in deep coverage over 2019 ET then I’d say you’re the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Elliott is a very aggressive safety who plays his best when he’s coming downhill, and as a result he’s had more than his fair share of moments where he’s caught flat footed and gives up big plays. He does very well all things considered, and helps vs a team like the browns or Titans where a violent mf like Elliott really shines, but we still have yet to figure out the chiefs, and I believe a tandem of Clark and thomas would help us get over that hump more than Clark and Elliott.
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Swear i watched kc game last night and man elliot lmao
 
Deebo813 said:
Put it this way, elliot isnt even in teams game plan lol.. all they say when it comes to him is “ he hits really hard”
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You’re going too hard on Elliott though lmao, he clearly offers something to this defense and is a difference maker. He’s the reason jonnu smith didn’t go off on us in the wild card game, and he’s a large part of why the browns couldn’t get the run game off the ground, every crease that they reached had a fucking scud missile named Elliott bringing raw fucking hatred. Mf attempted murder multiple times this season. ET is still more suited to the modern NFL, but Elliott isn’t some throwaway scrub lol, he doesn’t just hit hard, he arrives with excellent timing very often on both runs and passes, he just isn’t in place nearly as frequently if the ball is going beyond 20 yards
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
You’re going too hard on Elliott though lmao, he clearly offers something to this defense and is a difference maker. He’s the reason jonnu smith didn’t go off on us in the wild card game, and he’s a large part of why the browns couldn’t get the run game off the ground, every crease that they reached had a fucking scud missile named Elliott bringing raw fucking hatred. Mf attempted murder multiple times this season. ET is still more suited to the modern NFL, but Elliott isn’t some throwaway scrub lol, he doesn’t just hit hard, he arrives with excellent timing very often on both runs and passes, he just isn’t in place nearly as frequently if the ball is going beyond 20 yards
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We also cant disguise our defense as much because of him though.. i love his tackling but thats it..
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
You’re going too hard on Elliott though lmao, he clearly offers something to this defense and is a difference maker. He’s the reason jonnu smith didn’t go off on us in the wild card game, and he’s a large part of why the browns couldn’t get the run game off the ground, every crease that they reached had a fucking scud missile named Elliott bringing raw fucking hatred. Mf attempted murder multiple times this season. ET is still more suited to the modern NFL, but Elliott isn’t some throwaway scrub lol, he doesn’t just hit hard, he arrives with excellent timing very often on both runs and passes, he just isn’t in place nearly as frequently if the ball is going beyond 20 yards
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Absolutely. Say what you will about Elliott's coverage ability, but the dude can hit like a truck. I'm also glad that he hasn't been as reckless with flinging his body around like he was in his first couple of years in the league. He's definitely reigned it back a bit and is more controlled when he goes in for the kill now.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
He was a really good player at a position that many teams in the league simply don't value that much. The Ravens may value Safety more than any other team in the league quite frankly, though I'm not yet convinced that still holds true with Wink as DC. If he were such a stud that he was extremely critical to our defense, we would have tolerated the locker room fighting and found a way to work it out.

Did he make our defense better? Yes. Did he make life easier for Wink? Yes. Does the defense go into the tank and start giving up a lot more big plays and struggle to win games because he's gone? No.

I do think that one of the bigger storylines going into 2022 will be what the Ravens want to do at Safety. I do NOT think they believe Elliott is the FS here for the next 6-8 years. I think they'll try to keep him at a team friendly deal, much similar to Clark (who I think they clearly like better), and I think Safety may be one of, if not the biggest, areas that the Ravens will look to address in the 2022 offseason. I think finding a rangier, more ball-hawking, better in pass coverage FS is a high priority for them in the next year or two. I think they'd love to keep Elliott as a 3rd safety or as a rover-type who can play nickel/dime and still help out in the run game. I think they'd have a trio of Safeties then that would go up against anybody in the league. You add in Marlon and Peters, and you're in a good spot in the secondary.
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i think that point about being better in pass coverage is obviously the crux of the issue - elliott's good at what he does and he's versatile which helps but most teams pass more than they run and get better results when they pass vs when they run - pass coverage is essential and i think the ravens arent necessarily looking for a ball-hawk/true free safety in the old sense but definitely will be looking for someone with range and instincts to close in the deep but also someone who they feel comfortable manning up in the nickel and in various situations (and i think you're seeing more and more of that in college year on year)
 
Deebo813 said:
Lol nobody thinks ET dominated. Its simple fact that our current safties arent better than him.. we can replace both clark and elliot with ease.. clark maybe a little harder but elliot he is not good whatsoever
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i mean elliott's fine - but he's not what ET was in 2019
different - better at some things
but ET was way better in coverage and that matters a lot in this era of the NFL
 
Deebo813 said:
We also cant disguise our defense as much because of him though.. i love his tackling but thats it..
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disguise is literally the one thing that elliott allows us to do more of because we've used him all over the field - so he's always a threat to do everything...
 
Deebo813 said:
It would take et 3-5 yrs to play like clark? Lmaooo cmon man. There isnt any comparison for ET, clark and elliot lol. They shouldnt even be compared tbh
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#YOLO… 2019 ET was phenomenal. Near #20Ed Reed level.
 
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