The Random Thought Thread

[rmcjacket23]

My hype comes entirely from pat mcafees reaction to a text he received from someone who pat confirms to be close to the situation. He claims that if half of what he read is true then dan Snyder is done and that these claims go well beyond just the redskins

am I maybe giving pat too much credit as a source who wouldn’t be lying? Sure, but he’s also given me no reason to believe he would be lying.

The only way Snyder loses ownership of this team is if what the Post wrote is like the low-end of what happened. There's other stories and allegations on social media, but practically none of anything to do with Snyder.

Its possible that the Post held back on quite a few things because they couldn't verify, which of course is difficult to do when pretty much your entire witness list voluntarily signed NDAs (most likely in exchange for cash compensation) not to discuss.

 

[rmcjacket23]

The one thing he’s literally paid to do and yet we literally get ran out of the playoffs. 10 million well spent!

LOL, we didn't get run out of the playoffs. Henry didn't really do much of anything of actual relevance in that game. He acted more as a Marion Barber closer-type than anything.

We get knocked out of the playoffs because our offense played incredibly sloppy football, turned the ball over in our own territory (which led to pretty much all of the Titans points), and couldn't convert short yardage, which we were great at all year.

Henry's biggest contribution to the game was a pass, not a run. He was the Titans Lamar Jackson in that game... looked great in the boxscore, didn't really have much impact on the outcome (well in Lamar's case it led more towards losing than winning).

 

[RavensMania]

The only way Snyder loses ownership of this team is if what the Post wrote is like the low-end of what happened. There's other stories and allegations on social media, but practically none of anything to do with Snyder.

Its possible that the Post held back on quite a few things because they couldn't verify, which of course is difficult to do when pretty much your entire witness list voluntarily signed NDAs (most likely in exchange for cash compensation) not to discuss.

its probably more a Mark Cuban type of issue where he has some pretty steep fines, but he won't have to sell the team.

That being said, change should have been implemented in 2017 or 18 when they had issues with the Cheerleaders. How Snyder doesn't have an HR department is beyond me. He has one assistant, but no HR Generalist for people to complain about. It doesn't help that Snyder mocks the people around him and that's where the bad culture starts.....with Snyder.

I'm not saying this isn't happening with other NFL teams or pro sports in general, but that doesn't make it right. I mean seriously they had lucite stairs in one of the stairwell where anyone could look right up the dress of a coworker. Anyway, this isn't the first time sexual harassment has been around the 'skins' organization and Snyder is again giving lip service.

 

[rmcjacket23]

its probably more a Mark Cuban type of issue where he has some pretty steep fines, but he won't have to sell the team.

That being said, change should have been implemented in 2017 or 18 when they had issues with the Cheerleaders. How Snyder doesn't have an HR department is beyond me. He has one assistant, but no HR Generalist for people to complain about. It doesn't help that Snyder mocks the people around him and that's where the bad culture starts.....with Snyder.

I'm not saying this isn't happening with other NFL teams or pro sports in general, but that doesn't make it right. I mean seriously they had lucite stairs in one of the stairwell where anyone could look right up the dress of a coworker. Anyway, this isn't the first time sexual harassment has been around the 'skins' organization and Snyder is again giving lip service.

I could probably write a book on the litany of problems, both from their organization and a societal standpoint, but I'll summarize it like this:
1. I agree on the lack of HR, though I will say, its not like an NFL team really requires a robust HR department. You've already got player personnel departments, that oversee the players, which is the bulk of your workforce. I don't think they need a team of like 20 people to manage the other like 100-200 people they employ, but one person obviously isn't enough.
That being said... I'm not sure that would have changed here. An HR specialist who actually "took a stance" in these regards likely would have found themselves terminated also. Culture isn't usually set by HR necessarily.
2. I'm not suggesting its "right". I'm suggesting this doesn't come anywhere close to the level of forcing a private, for-profit organization owner to sell the team, nor is it anywhere near the "bombshell" level the media makes it out to be. Its mostly just falls into the "cancel culture" idea of anybody being even remotely involved, could have known, should have known, etc. in these cases deserves to be ostracized from society until the end of mankind.

And nobody will ever be able to convince me that's justifiable or a strong argument.

 

[JAAM]

LOL, we didn't get run out of the playoffs. Henry didn't really do much of anything of actual relevance in that game. He acted more as a Marion Barber closer-type than anything.

We get knocked out of the playoffs because our offense played incredibly sloppy football, turned the ball over in our own territory (which led to pretty much all of the Titans points), and couldn't convert short yardage, which we were great at all year.

Henry's biggest contribution to the game was a pass, not a run. He was the Titans Lamar Jackson in that game... looked great in the boxscore, didn't really have much impact on the outcome (well in Lamar's case it led more towards losing than winning).

Ummmmmm, he had nearly 200 rushing yards. That’s the most the Ravens have ever given up in a playoff game. Some were Up the gut and some were on the edges, most noticeably the run where Judon whiffed on a tackle for a 60ish? yard run (sorry Judon stans). We literally dedicated this offseason to STOPPING the run. Brandon Williams is overrated in my opinion, and wasn’t worth the first extension. I think it’s his final year here as Madboogie takes over and offers some pass rushing.

 

[JAAM]

Soooooo many butt-hurt Browns fans in this thread HAHAHA! I love it!

 

[Deebo813]

LOL, we didn't get run out of the playoffs. Henry didn't really do much of anything of actual relevance in that game. He acted more as a Marion Barber closer-type than anything.

We get knocked out of the playoffs because our offense played incredibly sloppy football, turned the ball over in our own territory (which led to pretty much all of the Titans points), and couldn't convert short yardage, which we were great at all year.

Henry's biggest contribution to the game was a pass, not a run. He was the Titans Lamar Jackson in that game... looked great in the boxscore, didn't really have much impact on the outcome (well in Lamar's case it led more towards losing than winning).

We win that game if titans had anyother rb in lg.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Ummmmmm, he had nearly 200 rushing yards. That’s the most the Ravens have ever given up in a playoff game. Some were Up the gut and some were on the edges, most noticeably the run where Judon whiffed on a tackle for a 60ish? yard run (sorry Judon stans). We literally dedicated this offseason to STOPPING the run. Brandon Williams is overrated in my opinion, and wasn’t worth the first extension. I think it’s his final year here as Madboogie takes over and offers some pass rushing.

OK, and?

200 yards doesn't mean anything when they're already up two scores. That's like saying Lamar had a great game because he had over 500 passing yards. Of course he didn't.

The guy had 30 carries. On volume alone, he should have like 120-150 yards. He had one long 66 yard run in the 3rd quarter. Upwards of about 60-65 of those yards were when the Titans led by at least 15 points in the 2nd half.

Heck, with out the 66 yard run, he had 29 carries for about 130 yards. That's not a very good stat line to be honest. That's not much about 4 YPC. The Ravens have like 6 RBs who could get you 130 yards if you gave them 29 carries.

Like I said, its mostly dead yards. Had about 70 yards rushing in the first half, when the game was competitive, and the longest run was like 9 yards.

He's one of the easiest players in the league to stop. Its called score points. He has almost no impact on football games where the opposing team is scoring even a reasonable amount of points. Something the Ravens didn't do.

We dedicated this offseason to stopping the run because we had literally no chance of improving the pass rush significantly, and we lost a couple of our more important run stoppers. Still 5th in the league in RYPG allowed. A one game sample, without context, isn't a reflection of anything.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

OK, and?

200 yards doesn't mean anything when they're already up two scores. That's like saying Lamar had a great game because he had over 500 passing yards. Of course he didn't.

The guy had 30 carries. On volume alone, he should have like 120-150 yards. He had one long 66 yard run in the 3rd quarter. Upwards of about 60-65 of those yards were when the Titans led by at least 15 points in the 2nd half.

Heck, with out the 66 yard run, he had 29 carries for about 130 yards. That's not a very good stat line to be honest. That's not much about 4 YPC. The Ravens have like 6 RBs who could get you 130 yards if you gave them 29 carries.

Like I said, its mostly dead yards. Had about 70 yards rushing in the first half, when the game was competitive, and the longest run was like 9 yards.

He's one of the easiest players in the league to stop. Its called score points. He has almost no impact on football games where the opposing team is scoring even a reasonable amount of points. Something the Ravens didn't do.

We dedicated this offseason to stopping the run because we had literally no chance of improving the pass rush significantly, and we lost a couple of our more important run stoppers. Still 5th in the league in RYPG allowed. A one game sample, without context, isn't a reflection of anything.

THANK YOU!
thanks to the "hurrdurr derrick henry turned earl thomas into a lead blocker" meme everyone thinks derrick henry is the sole reason we lost, paired with lamar jackson apparently being the worlds biggest choke artist.

fact is this: the offense lost this game, there should be no question about it for anyone who watched. Early turnover, turnover on downs next drive, and bam were down 14-0 and the titans with their gameplan can coast with ease. Henry got most of his yards on 2 runs and was pedestrian aside from that, theres a reason he did nothing vs the chiefs and i promise it isnt because the chiefs defense is better than the ravens. IF that ball bounces harmlessly off of andrews and onto the turf, and the ravens go ahead and take a field goal, force the titans to play on a long field, and then come back and score another field goal, frankly the game probably begins to spiral out of control VERY quickly for the titans, but the exact opposite happened, lamar stumbled off the bus, andrews was hobbled, ingram was hobbled, we abandoned the run, receivers werent getting open and dropping balls, game over by halftime.

also, the ravens run defense struggled ALL YEAR, they were gashed on the edges every time they faced a RB with some speed or a well coached run game. eric didnt go beef up the trenches because of derrick henry, he did it because of nick chubb, joe mixon, raheem mostert, devin singletary, and leveon bell also.

 

[rmcjacket23]

We win that game if titans had anyother rb in lg.

How? They could have pulled somebody off the street and done the same thing.

What did Henry do to force the Ravens to turn the ball over and drop passes? Was he playing defensive line and pushing us around and I missed it?

I mean this sincerely... some of you need to go back and watch that game again. Its pretty simple. When the Ravens gave the Titans a short field via turnovers, they scored. When we didn't, they didn't.

We scored 12 points. We lost because we scored 12 points in a playoff game. We gave up 28 points because we gift wrapped them the ball on on our side field like 4 times.

Here's a test: somebody look up the starting field position for the Titans 4 TD drives.
Then tell me what Henry's stats were for those TD drives, other than the 66 yard run.

Its going to blow your mind how little he impacted.

 

[rmcjacket23]

THANK YOU!
thanks to the "hurrdurr derrick henry turned earl thomas into a lead blocker" meme everyone thinks derrick henry is the sole reason we lost, paired with lamar jackson apparently being the worlds biggest choke artist.

fact is this: the offense lost this game, there should be no question about it for anyone who watched. Early turnover, turnover on downs next drive, and bam were down 14-0 and the titans with their gameplan can coast with ease. Henry got most of his yards on 2 runs and was pedestrian aside from that, theres a reason he did nothing vs the chiefs and i promise it isnt because the chiefs defense is better than the ravens. IF that ball bounces harmlessly off of andrews and onto the turf, and the ravens go ahead and take a field goal, force the titans to play on a long field, and then come back and score another field goal, frankly the game probably begins to spiral out of control VERY quickly for the titans, but the exact opposite happened, lamar stumbled off the bus, andrews was hobbled, ingram was hobbled, we abandoned the run, receivers werent getting open and dropping balls, game over by halftime.

also, the ravens run defense struggled ALL YEAR, they were gashed on the edges every time they faced a RB with some speed or a well coached run game. eric didnt go beef up the trenches because of derrick henry, he did it because of nick chubb, joe mixon, raheem mostert, devin singletary, and leveon bell also.

And look, I'm not saying the Ravens did great against Henry, because they didn't.

But there is not a sane, rationale person on this planet who watches that game and thinks we lost because Henry bulldozed us. Look at the scoring drives. Look at the turnovers. Look at the field position.

Like since we're clearly just going to the Box Score (which is bad analysis), look at the damn box score:
We had 2x as many first downs
We ran 40 MORE PLAYS. 40 MORE PLAYS.
We outgained them by 230 yards
While they had 217 rushing yards, which is a ton, we had 185. It wasn't even a landslide in rushing
We had a better YPC than they did (6.4 vs 5.9)
We had the ball for over 4 minutes longer. So even after all those running plays, the Titans didn't even win time of possession

So look at that and tell me who won the game?

Except there's four stats that matter:
Turnovers: Titans 0, Ravens 3
Red Zone Efficiency : Titans 3/3, Ravens 1/4
4th Down Efficiency: Ravens 0/4... 0 for freaking 4
# of possessions starting on opponent side of field: Titans 3, Ravens 0

The Ravens had ZERO drives that began beyond their own 30 yard line.

This isn't rocket science folks.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

And look, I'm not saying the Ravens did great against Henry, because they didn't.

But there is not a sane, rationale person on this planet who watches that game and thinks we lost because Henry bulldozed us. Look at the scoring drives. Look at the turnovers. Look at the field position.

Like since we're clearly just going to the Box Score (which is bad analysis), look at the damn box score:
We had 2x as many first downs
We ran 40 MORE PLAYS. 40 MORE PLAYS.
We outgained them by 230 yards
While they had 217 rushing yards, which is a ton, we had 185. It wasn't even a landslide in rushing
We had a better YPC than they did (6.4 vs 5.9)
We had the ball for over 4 minutes longer. So even after all those running plays, the Titans didn't even win time of possession

So look at that and tell me who won the game?

Except there's four stats that matter:
Turnovers: Titans 0, Ravens 3
Red Zone Efficiency : Titans 3/3, Ravens 1/4
4th Down Efficiency: Ravens 0/4... 0 for freaking 4
# of possessions starting on opponent side of field: Titans 3, Ravens 0

The Ravens had ZERO drives that began beyond their own 30 yard line.

This isn't rocket science folks.

I have been genuinely shocked at the number of ravens fans who don’t see this. It’s like 99 to 1.

it’s very VERY close to what happened we beat the titans in the 08 div round, wild card goes to the 1 seed, 1 seed drives ball at will but turnovers and short fields for the opponent and you beat yourself.

 

[JAAM]

And look, I'm not saying the Ravens did great against Henry, because they didn't.

But there is not a sane, rationale person on this planet who watches that game and thinks we lost because Henry bulldozed us. Look at the scoring drives. Look at the turnovers. Look at the field position.

Like since we're clearly just going to the Box Score (which is bad analysis), look at the damn box score:
We had 2x as many first downs
We ran 40 MORE PLAYS. 40 MORE PLAYS.
We outgained them by 230 yards
While they had 217 rushing yards, which is a ton, we had 185. It wasn't even a landslide in rushing
We had a better YPC than they did (6.4 vs 5.9)
We had the ball for over 4 minutes longer. So even after all those running plays, the Titans didn't even win time of possession

So look at that and tell me who won the game?

Except there's four stats that matter:
Turnovers: Titans 0, Ravens 3
Red Zone Efficiency : Titans 3/3, Ravens 1/4
4th Down Efficiency: Ravens 0/4... 0 for freaking 4
# of possessions starting on opponent side of field: Titans 3, Ravens 0

The Ravens had ZERO drives that began beyond their own 30 yard line.

This isn't rocket science folks.

Agree to disagree because you clearly know everything. I’m sticking to my guns in regards to us dedicating the offseason to stopping the run. Anyone can tell you this that watched us this past season. We couldn’t set the edges and had difficulty stopping the runs up the middle on occasion. Williams and Judon are overrated and overpaid.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I have been genuinely shocked at the number of ravens fans who don’t see this. It’s like 99 to 1.

it’s very VERY close to what happened we beat the titans in the 08 div round, wild card goes to the 1 seed, 1 seed drives ball at will but turnovers and short fields for the opponent and you beat yourself.

Just getting caught up in the media being ignorant. When you're putting together a highlight reel, its not sexy to praise a defense for their ability to stop short 4th down conversions or force turnovers. You've got to pick somebody to prop up as the "hero", even when they're not.

That's what happened here.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Agree to disagree because you clearly know everything. I’m sticking to my guns in regards to us dedicating the offseason to stopping the run. Anyone can tell you this that watched us this past season. We couldn’t set the edges and had difficulty stopping the runs up the middle on occasion. Williams and Judon are overrated and overpaid.

What else would we have dedicated the offseason to stopping? We're deep in the secondary with basically everybody coming back, we didn't have the money or draft capital to upgrade the pass rush, and the offense is almost entirely young. Where else was there to add? Maybe offensive line.

We lost Pierce. We knew we were losing Pierce. We lost like half our linebacking core, which we knew we were going to lose also. They knew they were overhauling the run defense in 2020 before the 2019 season even started.

I got news for you, and I'm in the minority here... I don't think we made significant upgrades to our run defense either. We brought in two rookie linebackers that have never played in the NFL, Calais Campbell and Derek Wolfe, who are average but not spectacular run stoppers who are significantly past their prime. Had we finished the deal with Brockers, who is actually a premier run stopper, I'd have agreed with you. I could make a case that we emphasized more PASS RUSH help on the DLine than we did beefing up the run stopping ability of it. I think our linebackers will be better in that regard, but I'm not expecting it on our Dline to be honest. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I don't see it.

There wasn't much left to do. There aren't many places where significant upgrades were needed.

 

[rossihunter2]

The Ravens had ZERO drives that began beyond their own 30 yard line.

first time ive seen that stat - that's pretty horrifying
also a testament to the invisible 3rd unit on our team that's historically been a consistently great unit year-on-year that this year was in the bottom 5th of the league

 

[Inqui]

its probably more a Mark Cuban type of issue where he has some pretty steep fines, but he won't have to sell the team.

That being said, change should have been implemented in 2017 or 18 when they had issues with the Cheerleaders. How Snyder doesn't have an HR department is beyond me. He has one assistant, but no HR Generalist for people to complain about. It doesn't help that Snyder mocks the people around him and that's where the bad culture starts.....with Snyder.

I'm not saying this isn't happening with other NFL teams or pro sports in general, but that doesn't make it right. I mean seriously they had lucite stairs in one of the stairwell where anyone could look right up the dress of a coworker. Anyway, this isn't the first time sexual harassment has been around the 'skins' organization and Snyder is again giving lip service.

If this stuff were being alleged by Ravens staff (especially for the second time in a few years) I think I'd sell my stuff and find a new team. There's no way I could watch them and not feel uncomfortable knowing what's going on behind closed doors. Washington's probably not the only team where toxic behaviour (if not worse) goes on, but like you say that doesn't make it right. Trash organisation with a scumbag owner, and getting about that has nothing to do with being PC.

I don't think he'll be forced out of the league (sadly) but it wouldn't have been unreasonable. These allegations aren't as explosive as the Donald Sterling stuff (in terms of response from the public etc) but it's similarly damaging to the almighty brand in showing what the owners will tolerate.

 

[purplepittabread88]

first time ive seen that stat - that's pretty horrifying
also a testament to the invisible 3rd unit on our team that's historically been a consistently great unit year-on-year that this year was in the bottom 5th of the league

I really wish we had a game changing special teams returner again. both of our superbowls we had a game changer at returner. the last few years, we have just been praying someone could catch the ball. I get letting Cyrus jones go, but when your offense is shit nothing sparks you like a good punt return or a kick return to get you to midfield. I think it's a super underrated component we have been missing. Obviously we will give the new young wrs a chance this year - but I would honestly be super happy if Devin or James turned into a top 5 returner and never caught a ball on offense (exaggerate but you get the point)

 

[rmcjacket23]

first time ive seen that stat - that's pretty horrifying
also a testament to the invisible 3rd unit on our team that's historically been a consistently great unit year-on-year that this year was in the bottom 5th of the league

Yeah but the problem is... its not a special teams problem. On drives that didn't result in turnovers, the Ravens did fine on special teams. Punt team was good. Kickoff team was good. I don't expect teams to have significant kickoff return yardage, because frankly, it just doesn't happen in the NFL anymore.

Its a testament to turnovers. They didn't have to work as hard on offense, because they forced turnovers and we played sloppy. They didn't.

 

[purplepittabread88]

Another thing that hurt us in the Titans games was that we didn't trust our defense. We didn't have Tucker give us any automatic points. I understand that they wanted to score fast and pass happy but that lead to turnovers. Everyone talks about how we stopped running the ball but I felt we were in such a rush to score a touchdown right away it killed us.

Trust me I understand you don't change your identity (skip going for it on 4th&1) when it comes time, but we needed breathing room and good field position. They couldn't move the ball on us easily and they sure couldn't pass. This game will haunt us all year, but if we win a Super Bowl or at least a few playoff games, no one will recall.

Shoutout to our defense for holding us down in both playoff losses in 18&19 despite the offense giving the ball to them with 20 yards to go lol