literally just go to nfl.com - go to the schedule section and click on a matchup so that it opens up - the first tab you see open will literally be titled league rankings and all of the categories are ranked as @Adreme said they were
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literally just go to nfl.com - go to the schedule section and click on a matchup so that it opens up - the first tab you see open will literally be titled league rankings and all of the categories are ranked as @Adreme said they were
Tru11
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Those are yards not overall.
or maybe to make it more simple: its overall based on yards.
its not an overall defense ranking
those are not the same....
Either you are pretending to not know what that stat stands for (for whatever reason) or you really dont ( which i find very hard to believe as this is the most basic stuff)
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His point (and now mine) is that the nfl has always ranked defences based on yards and doesn’t ever specify that fact - their “overall” rankings are the same as their “yards” rankings - we’re not saying we agree with that ranking of defences - it’s just the way it is
The Bills did, not the Titans.
allblackraven
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You saying Bills deserved the playoffs over us and Titans did not or other way around?
Neither of them deserved it over us, but the Titans deserved it more than the Bills
allblackraven
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Titans definitely did.
They beat us and they won wild card round in away game.
Oh yeah, forgot about that win already. Anyway, Bills didn’t derserve it over us
Tru11
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they do specify it though.
just go to where they list the league stats and they will mention what ranking goes with what stat.
as for the match up page.
i can see that a casual fan with little knowledge might believe those are overall rankings
analist and commentators however know fully well those are are not overall rankings.
i honestly expected the same from some of you quite frankly.
i mean just look at the jags and pats match up which shows the pats being 29th.
i you really want to believe they are the 29th overall defense then im simply lost for words.
especially when you go to analyse and see they only give up 18.5 points per game.
anyone with common sense would conclude its not an overall ranking.
also some do agree with that ranking as they actually used that specified ranking to claim that the browns are the 14th overall defense even though they are pretty much near the bottom in all other stats.....
if you guys trully believe that the yards stats is an actual representation of the quality of a defense/offense then i have nothing more to say about this.
You can say they "know" but they will outright list them without any modifiers. "The number 1 defense in the NFL is the XXXXXX and they are going against the number 6 rated offense lead by XXXXX" That is a VERY common phrase used by announcers. You can say its not but pay attention a little and you will notice it and as I said watch the draft and thats literally the first stat they show when a team is on the board, there overall offense rank and there overall defense rank.
I will be honest I used to think when they did overall defense rank they had some complex formula to determine based on points yards turnovers etc but nope its just yards.
i mean how would you come up with an "overall defence" stat - there's no such thing which is why often analysts find that picking a number 1 defence is a nebulous and varied concept...
what you are not getting is that the league stats may well say specific rankings but when people quote defence without specifying statistics they are referring to yards - that's just the way it works
we are all aware that those stats are not "overall rankings" because as i just stated above there is no such thing outside of footballers outsiders metrics DVOA that tries to quantify overall defence... and when people talk about DVOA they almost always specify that they are using DVOA
and that 29th by the pats defence is not a stupid ranking at all... for 8 weeks of the 16 in the regular season the pats defence was an utter sieve with no answers, and more goes into ppg than pure defence - so seeing the pats ranked 29th would not necessarily prove an outlier at all - its probably too low if you were to rank them on the eye test but they would by no means be in the top half of the league or even top 20 tbh (quoting the ppg suggests to me that you havent been watching the pats defence all year at all)
and the browns defence really wasnt terrible - it had a phenomenal run defence this year and restricted yardage through the air too (although they played a lot more zone than im used to seeing from a greg williams defence - they might not have enough talent in the secondary to play man) but they were a top 10 tackling defence i think statistically they might even have been top 5 in restricting YAC in the nfl - the categories defensively where they were lacking were in turnovers (understandable in a young defence that was constantly put in bad spots) and points which isnt all on them anyway: i think special teams conceded 4 return tds, they often had to defend short fields based off other long returns and the fact that they had the largest turnovers by far of any team's offence and some defensive scores against them too - they were not a top 10 defence overall by any means but they were easily a mid-level defence with an incredibly strong run defence...
either way for some reason or another you arent understanding what we're trying to say
DeVito52
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wtf...do you have a reading comprehension problem? The stat everyone uses to determine the #1 defense is yards. The stat everyone uses to determine the #1 offense is yards. Sometimes they will list like 3 different stats, like yards, points allowed, points scored, or whatever. But if someone says “the Vikings have the #1 defense” like they literally said this past weekend, they mean in terms of yards. It’s not that hard to understand. What you’re arguing is irrelevant.
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Sooky
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Ogres are like onions. They have LAYERS.
Grim
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I am literally dumber after reading the last couple quoted posts on that subject. It’s not even about Joe Flacco. I’m surprised and quite frankly impressed that we managed to derail a topic dedicated to Joe Flacco to arguing over the semantics and definition of a #1 ranked defense according to NFL statistics. Impressive...most impressive, but you are not quite a troll yet.
Disclaimer: this is really only in reference to one person debating NFL rankings
Disclaimer: this is really only in reference to one person debating NFL rankings
Oldfaithful
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You know Grim... I only clicked on this thread because I was happy to see you around tbh.. .
I agree with everything you said. How ya doing bud? I'm in Spain for the semester and bout to get my drink on
Oldfaithful
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Also this thread is fucking pointless: We have Flacco for at least another season and if plays like he did in the second half of the season this year he probably has another 3-4 years in the tank given how long QBs can play. Criticizing him during the offseason is going to accomplish nothing. I agree that if he sucks next year: move on.. But otherwise. We're stuck. Get used to it boys.
Tank
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So since the thread is about Joe Flacco it has to be about criticizing him? lol.... rhetorical question, don’t need an answer.
Grim
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I'm well. Been programming and doing life stuff and doing certifications to do some nice jobs and stuff. Finally got life sorted out and I decided to end my break from football and came here. I watched games but not every game. This year I just didn't have the same interest as before but we'll see how this offseason goes.
Joe isn't going anywhere for at least a year but we should look into replacing him soon. Someone in the personnel department needs to go, too.
It's not a Joe Flacco thread (or any thread) unless it's criticizing him. To be fair, the critics have all the ammo they need. He's playing like crap and needs to step up his game in a big way. It's not all about everyone around him--the guy needs to hit guys in stride, throw guys open, avoid pressure, etc. He needs to make smart decisions. I think we need to draft a back-up QB who can apply pressure to him and replace him. I remember @29BmoreBird22 and I talked about us needing to consider a QB back in the draft when we took Stanley. People called us crazy for considering it even in the top of the first round depending on who was there. Imagine if we somehow got Wentz and could have played him over Joe? Wow, what a difference it would be. I'm glad we have Stanley, but man.
Tank
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You missed the point. A thread, or any thread doesn’t need to be all about pessimistic criticisms. It can also be about ways to improve situations or how players could improve, constructive criticism. Not saying anyone’s opinion is necessarily wrong, but a thread isn’t “.....useless” just because a player isn’t going to be cut or replaced. lol And yeah, it’s not all about everyone around Joe, but it damn sure is a huge piece of the issues with the Ravens’ passing game. Who’s to say Joe wouldn’t gain confidence and play much better with some of the same consistent receiving talent all of the better teams have? I think you would agree that much of the quality of an NFL QB’s performance(i.e. hit guys in stride, throwing them open, etc.) is dependent upon confidence, not only in himself, but also in those who are supposed to be catching the ball.
Given a healthy Flacco, if he were throwing to a group like, let’s say Jeffries, Ertz, Agolohor, Smith, or say Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph, McKinnon, or even Brown, Schuster, Bryant, James, I would venture a guess that you and your friend would never have had the convo about drafting a QB instead of Stanley.
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