Joe Flacco

[redrum52]

You missed the point. A thread, or any thread doesn’t need to be all about pessimistic criticisms. It can also be about ways to improve situations or how players could improve, constructive criticism. Not saying anyone’s opinion is necessarily wrong, but a thread isn’t “.....useless” just because a player isn’t going to be cut or replaced. lol And yeah, it’s not all about everyone around Joe, but it damn sure is a huge piece of the issues with the Ravens’ passing game. Who’s to say Joe wouldn’t gain confidence and play much better with some of the same consistent receiving talent all of the better teams have? I think you would agree that much of the quality of an NFL QB’s performance(i.e. hit guys in stride, throwing them open, etc.) is dependent upon confidence, not only in himself, but also in those who are supposed to be catching the ball.

Given a healthy Flacco, if he were throwing to a group like, let’s say Jeffries, Ertz, Agolohor, Smith, or say Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph, McKinnon, or even Brown, Schuster, Bryant, James, I would venture a guess that you and your friend would never have had the convo about drafting a QB instead of Stanley.

10 or 11 years in he's not magically going to just become more accurate and learn to lead guys. He is what he is at this point. Is it all his fault? No, but he damn sure has something to do with it. In all actually, every one has failed each other recently. He hasn't played well, Harbaugh hasn't done much to help with coaching guys and Ozzie hasn't improved the talent. At the same time, he must be more consistent. You can't have 6-7 good games/not playing like shit and expect to accomplish much.


Oh yea... Offense and defense are ranked by yards, unfortunately. One of the dumbest ways to measure a unit, but, they will also usually help clarify rankings by other measures such are scoring, etc...

Finally, since we can just change topics, Red Lobster sucks, but I love the cheddar biscuits. Like, if I was ever lucky enough to have a Red Lobster next to a real seafood restaurant I'd make an order to go and head next door. They are fire. Has anyone been able to get their hands on that McDonalds szechuan(spelling?) sauce?

 

[Tank]

10 or 11 years in he's not magically going to just become more accurate and learn to lead guys. He is what he is at this point. Is it all his fault? No, but he damn sure has something to do with it. In all actually, every one has failed each other recently. He hasn't played well, Harbaugh hasn't done much to help with coaching guys and Ozzie hasn't improved the talent. At the same time, he must be more consistent. You can't have 6-7 good games/not playing like shit and expect to accomplish much.


Oh yea... Offense and defense are ranked by yards, unfortunately. One of the dumbest ways to measure a unit, but, they will also usually help clarify rankings by other measures such are scoring, etc...

Finally, since we can just change topics, Red Lobster sucks, but I love the cheddar biscuits. Like, if I was ever lucky enough to have a Red Lobster next to a real seafood restaurant I'd make an order to go and head next door. They are fire. Has anyone been able to get their hands on that McDonalds szechuan(spelling?) sauce?

They sell RL biscuit mix in a box at the grocery store. lol Their “seafood” does pretty much suck.

Totally agree that Flacco has always needed to be more consistent. But I have to think those periods of “head up the ass” are much less pronounced and happen much less often with a consistent group of decent guys catching the ball and making plays to help out. Probably never happens that he ever has a group like any of the three(or close to that) I mentioned so we may never know.

Just my two cents........No one stat alone is definitive for rankings, but I like points allowed/points scored if it has to be just one.

 

[allblackraven]

They sell RL biscuit mix in a box at the grocery store. lol Their “seafood” does pretty much suck.

Totally agree that Flacco has always needed to be more consistent. But I have to think those periods of “head up the ass” are much less pronounced and happen much less often with a group of consistent guys catching the ball. Probably never happens that he ever has a group like any of the three(or close to that) I mentioned so we may never know.

Just my two cents........No one stat alone is definitive for rankings, but I like points allowed/points scored if it has to be just one.

Flacco wasn't the problem in 2016 on my dynasty league team with Diggs, Thielen, M. Thomas, Cooks, D. Thomas and Ertz. It's all about the receivers

 

[redrum52]

It pisses me off that Diggs was in our own backyard and we still managed to fuck that up.

 

[allblackraven]

It pisses me off that Diggs was in our own backyard and we still managed to fuck that up.

No good excuse for that one. Injuries can't be that - we're talking 5th round.

 

[Grim]

You missed the point. A thread, or any thread doesn’t need to be all about pessimistic criticisms. It can also be about ways to improve situations or how players could improve, constructive criticism. Not saying anyone’s opinion is necessarily wrong, but a thread isn’t “.....useless” just because a player isn’t going to be cut or replaced. lol And yeah, it’s not all about everyone around Joe, but it damn sure is a huge piece of the issues with the Ravens’ passing game. Who’s to say Joe wouldn’t gain confidence and play much better with some of the same consistent receiving talent all of the better teams have? I think you would agree that much of the quality of an NFL QB’s performance(i.e. hit guys in stride, throwing them open, etc.) is dependent upon confidence, not only in himself, but also in those who are supposed to be catching the ball.

Given a healthy Flacco, if he were throwing to a group like, let’s say Jeffries, Ertz, Agolohor, Smith, or say Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph, McKinnon, or even Brown, Schuster, Bryant, James, I would venture a guess that you and your friend would never have had the convo about drafting a QB instead of Stanley.

I didn’t miss the point. I was being sarcastic and cynical because a lot of threads typically turn into a Flacco bashing session. It was a joke, but not the part about him needing to get better. He certainly does need a better supporting cast though. I also still believe it would’ve been a wise decision to draft a QB because we could’ve used someone to push him and back him up because we don’t have anyone worth anything there. I hope we get him a supporting cast this year because the offense needs serious help.

 

[Tank]

I didn’t miss the point. I was being sarcastic and cynical because a lot of threads typically turn into a Flacco bashing session. It was a joke, but not the part about him needing to get better. He certainly does need a better supporting cast though. I also still believe it would’ve been a wise decision to draft a QB because we could’ve used someone to push him and back him up because we don’t have anyone worth anything there. I hope we get him a supporting cast this year because the offense needs serious help.

Gotcha. My main point was that much of these conversations never happen if the Ravens had receivers/TEs like all successful teams have. Even if they don’t have superstars they have guys that play hard, are consistent and can catch.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

10 or 11 years in he's not magically going to just become more accurate and learn to lead guys. He is what he is at this point. Is it all his fault? No, but he damn sure has something to do with it. In all actually, every one has failed each other recently. He hasn't played well, Harbaugh hasn't done much to help with coaching guys and Ozzie hasn't improved the talent. At the same time, he must be more consistent. You can't have 6-7 good games/not playing like shit and expect to accomplish much.


Oh yea... Offense and defense are ranked by yards, unfortunately. One of the dumbest ways to measure a unit, but, they will also usually help clarify rankings by other measures such are scoring, etc...

Finally, since we can just change topics, Red Lobster sucks, but I love the cheddar biscuits. Like, if I was ever lucky enough to have a Red Lobster next to a real seafood restaurant I'd make an order to go and head next door. They are fire. Has anyone been able to get their hands on that McDonalds szechuan(spelling?) sauce?

One of my favorite lines in barbershop: "red lobster is the great clips of seafood" when The white barber said he was gonna take his girl to a fancy restaurant like red lobster.

My wife is from Maryland, her parents are from PA, they love red lobster and by extension she loves it too. I've told her many times to fuck off when she suggests we eat at that sacrilegious restaurant

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

10 or 11 years in he's not magically going to just become more accurate and learn to lead guys. He is what he is at this point. Is it all his fault? No, but he damn sure has something to do with it. In all actually, every one has failed each other recently. He hasn't played well, Harbaugh hasn't done much to help with coaching guys and Ozzie hasn't improved the talent. At the same time, he must be more consistent. You can't have 6-7 good games/not playing like shit and expect to accomplish much.


Oh yea... Offense and defense are ranked by yards, unfortunately. One of the dumbest ways to measure a unit, but, they will also usually help clarify rankings by other measures such are scoring, etc...

Finally, since we can just change topics, Red Lobster sucks, but I love the cheddar biscuits. Like, if I was ever lucky enough to have a Red Lobster next to a real seafood restaurant I'd make an order to go and head next door. They are fire. Has anyone been able to get their hands on that McDonalds szechuan(spelling?) sauce?

Yeah, Flacco isn't going to change overnight, but if we can actually surround him with more talent then we know that he's capable of leading the team in the playoffs. If he can stay healthy this off-season then I think he'll play better next year, but let's see if Oz actually improves the rest of the offense and gives Joe some weapons to work with.

Also, I totally agree on the Red Lobster comment lol. Not sure if you ever watched Boondocks, but it reminded me of this:

 

[redrum52]

Yeah, Flacco isn't going to change overnight, but if we can actually surround him with more talent then we know that he's capable of leading the team in the playoffs. If he can stay healthy this off-season then I think he'll play better next year, but let's see if Oz actually improves the rest of the offense and gives Joe some weapons to work with.

Also, I totally agree on the Red Lobster comment lol. Not sure if you ever watched Boondocks, but it reminded me of this:

Loved that show. Took Grandpa way too long to realize she was a... ahem... working girl.

 

[TheCity5]

It pisses me off that Diggs was in our own backyard and we still managed to fuck that up.

At some point Ozzie needs to stop playing around with these WRs. We're getting burned by it badly because of much we overvalue the guys on our roster.

 

[Ellicottraven]

Joe Flacco is chilling while we sit here and break our collective heads. Football is furthest from his mind right now so we should take a cue from our QB and try to do the same. We'll find out how healthy he is next season and how much more creative Marty gets with a few months of preparation. That's all we can do at this time I suppose. The one thing we must do is draft quality playmakers on offense including a WR, O-Lineman and a RB this upcoming season at a minimum and need to hit on all 3.

 

[arnie_uk]

Joe Flacco is chilling while we sit here and break our collective heads. Football is furthest from his mind right now so we should take a cue from our QB and try to do the same. We'll find out how healthy he is next season and how much more creative Marty gets with a few months of preparation. That's all we can do at this time I suppose. The one thing we must do is draft quality playmakers on offense including a WR, O-Lineman and a RB this upcoming season at a minimum and need to hit on all 3.

Aye because every single other player thats not in the playoffs isnt chilling

 

[RavensMania]

Eisenberg feels the Urban hiring may be the most important hiring this offseason. Feels it has a chance to be a game breaker

Urban explained that he would install “a system,” a set of fundamentals, guidelines and habits, to be repeated as often as possible.

“There’s a system in place; you teach, you build, and within that system, you allow the great natural ability to go,” Urban said. “I’m looking forward to putting things together, working to establish the foundation and go from there; get Joe healthy and watch what we can do.”

 

[Oldfaithful]

Eisenberg feels the Urban hiring may be the most important hiring this offseason. Feels it has a chance to be a game breaker

Urban explained that he would install “a system,” a set of fundamentals, guidelines and habits, to be repeated as often as possible.

“There’s a system in place; you teach, you build, and within that system, you allow the great natural ability to go,” Urban said. “I’m looking forward to putting things together, working to establish the foundation and go from there; get Joe healthy and watch what we can do.”

I read some of the Urban interview. I think it's good that he acknowledges that Joe does indeed have issues while acknowledging his past success. Whilst Flacco's mechanics did vastly improve in the back half of the season. It is important to understand that Flacco needs to improve. This might be a good hire. He does have a track record.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Eisenberg feels the Urban hiring may be the most important hiring this offseason. Feels it has a chance to be a game breaker

Urban explained that he would install “a system,” a set of fundamentals, guidelines and habits, to be repeated as often as possible.

“There’s a system in place; you teach, you build, and within that system, you allow the great natural ability to go,” Urban said. “I’m looking forward to putting things together, working to establish the foundation and go from there; get Joe healthy and watch what we can do.”

I read some of the Urban interview. I think it's good that he acknowledges that Joe does indeed have issues while acknowledging his past success. Whilst Flacco's mechanics did vastly improve in the back half of the season. It is important to understand that Flacco needs to improve. This might be a good hire. He does have a track record.

Regardless of the schedule we're faced with, this team can win 10 games if January Joe plays all season with a healthy defense. I'm really looking to see how we address the offense in the offseason.

 

[RavensMania]

It pisses me off that Diggs was in our own backyard and we still managed to fuck that up.

Yeah every team made that same mistake multiple times. Skins didn’t draft him either.

Btw, the Steelers aren’t so smart either when drafting wr. Better than us, yes, but when they drafted Brown, they had two other picks in the 6th. He was their third choice. They got lucky, just like the Pats did with Brady. All teams past on both of these player. Hindsight is 2020

 

[purplepittabread88]

I really think urban will keep flacco from going sloppy. He really played well in the second half of the season if we can
Keep that I’d be satisfied. My only real issue with Flacco is I never have felt he cares. He treats football like it is just a game and I see how that is fair. He is like the honors student who runs track (has a ton of potential) but just does it to help get into college lol. I don’t think he will play more than 4 years to be honest. He seems like he has gotten enough from the game. I can’t be the only one who thinks this. I know he is referred to as joe cool, and I feel he might get a bit upset but knows after the game he will come home to a great life and go play again next season. Marlon humps tweeted how he likes the dog in mayfield, and I agree. I don’t like mayfield much, but no one will argue Flacco has more passion. I don’t think we will ever see flacco attempt to connect with a receiver not named pitta. Stories have come out that Brady tries to stay hip with his guys. I could never
Imagine Flacco hanging out with Perrimam. He
Does what he needs to but never anything more. I think that’s the only thing that will stop him from being elite. When he was challenged and mocked for saying he was he put down his full effort. I wish he had more love for the game and not as much to be a normal human haha.

 

[rossihunter2]

I read some of the Urban interview. I think it's good that he acknowledges that Joe does indeed have issues while acknowledging his past success. Whilst Flacco's mechanics did vastly improve in the back half of the season. It is important to understand that Flacco needs to improve. This might be a good hire. He does have a track record.

The thing that encourages me about a system of fundamentals is it will do 2 things for flacco:

1) it helps create a rhythm in his throwing
2) it stops him from getting into bad mechanical/footwork habits

And as we’ve all seen a flacco in rhythm is undeniably hard to play against

That being said I was really impressed by the way joes footwork improved toward the end of the year - I’d prefer a bit more bounce in the pocket but he used his feet in his throwing motion better than he has since 2014

 

[Tank]

The thing that encourages me about a system of fundamentals is it will do 2 things for flacco:

1) it helps create a rhythm in his throwing
2) it stops him from getting into bad mechanical/footwork habits

And as we’ve all seen a flacco in rhythm is undeniably hard to play against

That being said I was really impressed by the way joes footwork improved toward the end of the year - I’d prefer a bit more bounce in the pocket but he used his feet in his throwing motion better than he has since 2014

While I think Urban will definitely help Joe, it would seem most of the issues with his mechanics were injury/confidence related as he improved as he got healthier. And I think you’ve hit the nail on the head concerning rhythm. Flacco like most QBs thrive when things are clicking. Drops and poor receiver play killed a lot of the momentum and offensive rhythm this year, but implementing a “system” could go a long way in keeping a mechanical rhythm to his motion going despite such setbacks.

Pretty sure most QBs have a coach. Right?