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2021 General Draft Thoughts

rossihunter2

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Ravensnation5220 said:
Dyami is really overlooked imo. The guy just gets open. He has good hands and a solid athlete, I think he's a guy who will come in and produce for any team day 1 and thats what we need. He was also very highly touted coming out of highschool so the talent has always been there
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he plays the same role in college as DK Metcalf did - dyami's not as big or physical at the LoS as Metcalf but he has more lateral fluidity to his game than DK

you put him in a vertical-based passing offence as a number 2 as a rookie and watch him start tearing it up - like if he went to the packers or something like that i think he might explode onto the scene
 
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rossihunter2 said:
he plays the same role in college as DK Metcalf did - dyami's not as big or physical at the LoS as Metcalf but he has more lateral fluidity to his game than DK

you put him in a vertical-based passing offence as a number 2 as a rookie and watch him start tearing it up - like if he went to the packers or something like that i think he might explode onto the scene
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oh man the packers would honestly be his best landing spot. Id love to see that if we dont take him

went back to watch some Tylan Wallace and hes actually more impressive in contested catch situations than i realized. My issue was his matchup vs Oklahoma specifically vs Tre Brown who i came away more impressed with. Tre Brown is 5'9 and Wallace struggled to beat him outside and vs press. If he cant beat brown outside than idk how hes gonna do it vs NFL corners. He gets redirected to easily in his routes and Brown really showed that on tape consistently pushing him to the boundary. I find it odd cause he seems physical at the catch point but at the LOS he really struggles.
 
rossihunter2

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Ravensnation5220 said:
oh man the packers would honestly be his best landing spot. Id love to see that if we dont take him

went back to watch some Tylan Wallace and hes actually more impressive in contested catch situations than i realized. My issue was his matchup vs Oklahoma specifically vs Tre Brown who i came away more impressed with. Tre Brown is 5'9 and Wallace struggled to beat him outside and vs press. If he cant beat brown outside than idk how hes gonna do it vs NFL corners. He gets redirected to easily in his routes and Brown really showed that on tape consistently pushing him to the boundary. I find it odd cause he seems physical at the catch point but at the LOS he really struggles.
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tbf i managed to find some better angles of that oklahoma game and he does beat tre brown with some route-running at times in that game

but i'd say his best trait on film is his ability at the catch-point

but yeah - i genuinely think he probably has to be a slot in the NFL which is why i find it hard to get excited about him - he's getting redirected so easily and at times having to tight-rope walk the sideline just to stay in bounds in his route
 
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rossihunter2 said:
tbf i managed to find some better angles of that oklahoma game and he does beat tre brown with some route-running at times in that game

but i'd say his best trait on film is his ability at the catch-point

but yeah - i genuinely think he probably has to be a slot in the NFL which is why i find it hard to get excited about him - he's getting redirected so easily and at times having to tight-rope walk the sideline just to stay in bounds in his route
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ya i noticed brown was turned around a couple times on some in breaking routes. Id just prefer a guy who can win outside for us rn so thats how im looking at wallace. He prob will be a better slot and has some good YAC potential. I just dont see him as a fit for us
 
Italian Raven

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My biggest problem with Oweh is the usage we're making of him.
Had we not resign Bowser I'd have understood the pick better but they're too similar to be on the field together.
He's undoubtly a great athlete but not a good pass rusher.
We had issues when both Judon and Ngakoue were the roster, and having Oweh doesn't improve the group in that sense.
Whatever.
Gotta hope he's coachable but that's a very long term project
 
rossihunter2

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Italian Raven said:
My biggest problem with Oweh is the usage we're making of him.
Had we not resign Bowser I'd have understood the pick better but they're too similar to be on the field together.
He's undoubtly a great athlete but not a good pass rusher.
We had issues when both Judon and Ngakoue were the roster, and having Oweh doesn't improve the group in that sense.
Whatever.
Gotta hope he's coachable but that's a very long term project
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we had issues getting judon and ngakoue on the field together sure...
but some of our best packages involved having bowser and judon on the field at the same time...
 
Italian Raven

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rossihunter2 said:
we had issues getting judon and ngakoue on the field together sure...
but some of our best packages involved having bowser and judon on the field at the same time...
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Wait I guess I didn't explain myself.
I was considering 2 separate problems, one of which the talent/need and next the usage.

1. even with both Judon and Ngakoue on the roster (both more experienced, talented pass rushers than Oweh) we had problems getting to the QB.
Now that we took him that doesn't mean we actually replaced the former OLBs, let alone got better.
If we don't add a good FA or draft another one, then we drastically got worse at Edge.

2. Imho Oweh is too similar to Bowser and you don't even get the reps nor the production from both.
We traded OBJ creating a big need. We now draft a guy who doesn't really fill the shoes of those who left.

We still have 2 needs OT+DE.. Trading back even with lessened leverage, would've been a better option
 
Simba

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Italian Raven said:
Wait I guess I didn't explain myself.
I was considering 2 separate problems, one of which the talent/need and next the usage.

1. even with both Judon and Ngakoue on the roster (both more experienced, talented pass rushers than Oweh) we had problems getting to the QB.
Now that we took him that doesn't mean we actually replaced the former OLBs, let alone got better.
If we don't add a good FA or draft another one, then we drastically got worse at Edge.

2. Imho Oweh is too similar to Bowser and you don't even get the reps nor the production from both.
We traded OBJ creating a big need. We now draft a guy who doesn't really fill the shoes of those who left.

We still have 2 needs OT+DE.. Trading back even with lessened leverage, would've been a better option
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I wouldn't say that Bowser and Oweh are that similar at all in the roles they're going to play. They both might be listed at SLB in the grand scheme of things, but Oweh is going to be rushing the passer a lot more than Bowser ever will.
 
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Simba said:
I wouldn't say that Bowser and Oweh are that similar at all in the roles they're going to play. They both might be listed at SLB in the grand scheme of things, but Oweh is going to be rushing the passer a lot more than Bowser ever will.
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I don't think with better result than Bowser tho. Hence my remaining question mark over the position
 
Simba

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Italian Raven said:
I don't think with better result than Bowser tho. Hence my remaining question mark over the position
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I see a vastly different player, and that's coming from someone who had Bowser near the top of his list back when he was drafted. Oweh will be a pass rush specialist. Not going to say how productive obviously, but that's going to be his main job. Bowser is the jack of all trades who will primarily be the chess piece that drops into coverage or comes. I just don't see their roles as similar at all, even if the production never makes it for Oweh.
 
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Italian Raven said:
My biggest problem with Oweh is the usage we're making of him.
Had we not resign Bowser I'd have understood the pick better but they're too similar to be on the field together.
He's undoubtly a great athlete but not a good pass rusher.
We had issues when both Judon and Ngakoue were the roster, and having Oweh doesn't improve the group in that sense.
Whatever.
Gotta hope he's coachable but that's a very long term project
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Judon and Ngakoue aren't in the same tier athletically. Ngakoue had one dominant year, but he's limited to one pass rushing move (the cross chop). I'd take the Oweh with is rookie salary any day and hope he develops over both Judon and Ngakoue with their inflated contracts.
 
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Simba said:
I see a vastly different player, and that's coming from someone who had Bowser near the top of his list back when he was drafted. Oweh will be a pass rush specialist. Not going to say how productive obviously, but that's going to be his main job. Bowser is the jack of all trades who will primarily be the chess piece that drops into coverage or comes. I just don't see their roles as similar at all, even if the production never makes it for Oweh.
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I'd argue Oweh is actually a better run defender right now than he is a pass rusher.
 
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Justdewinit20 said:
I'd argue Oweh is actually a better run defender right now than he is a pass rusher.
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I can get on board with that, which is why he might be a SLB in name but he also won't have the same responsibilities as Bowser. I should say that I think he'll turn into a pass rush specialist and you can absolutely find ways to get him and Bowser on the field at the same time without any overlap.
 
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Simba said:
I can get on board with that, which is why he might be a SLB in name but he also won't have the same responsibilities as Bowser. I should say that I think he'll turn into a pass rush specialist and you can absolutely find ways to get him and Bowser on the field at the same time without any overlap.
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His ability to play the run is going to get him snaps and thats the best thing for him. The pass rushers weve drafted in the past struggled in this regard and it kept them from getting reps on the field to develop.
 
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