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rossihunter2 said:
i think he technically could have come back for Monday in Dallas too but Tuesday makes it a sure thing as long as he's through the virus by then
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I think the only one that is for sure out based on the 10 day thing is Willie Snead. Mark Andrews and Matt Judon could be cleared the day of the game.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Like OK, I have no doubt there's wholes in the plan and enforcement is inconsistent, etc.

That being said... you won't be able sell me on the idea that their contact tracing is at least largely a factor in why they really haven't had any large-scale outbreaks. Like its pretty much routine for almost every team in the league have a coach, staff, or player test positive on a weekly basis at this point. And yet somehow, one player testing positive has rarely developed into anything more than a singular or small group of individuals. Why is that? Well, among other factors, contact tracing.

Not to go down the political rabbit hole, but I'm not spending my time bashing the NFL for what I think are somewhat trivial failures in COVID-related protocol. Why not? Because I don't see any other companies doing a better job, and I certainly don't see our government doing a better job. Contact tracing doesn't exist for like 99% of the U.S. Casinos are some of the better Corporations I've seen do it, and they have a gigantic amount of lowered liability when it comes to positive cases. In fact, its borderline impossible to tie COVID outbreaks to specific buildings, locations, etc. in most cases. So the idea that the NFL's protocol isn't air-tight shouldn't shock anybody.

They're 10+ weeks into a season that nobody thought would happen, and the biggest impact to the league is having to move a few games around. The biggest concerns heading into the season was a) widespread contamination in a locker room where so many people were sick that a team legitimately couldn't field a roster for weeks and b) players actually getting COVID and ending up hospitalized or even dead.

Those factors really haven't played out to this point. Maybe it will, but the NFL deserves a ton of credit for putting protocol in place that, if followed, shrinks the likelihood of those things happening to minuscule levels.

I remember reading the media all offseason talk about how the NFL didn't have any policies and they weren't taking it seriously and blah blah blah. By mid-September, I realized the media was a joke.

Everybody is great at identifying problems. Most people suck-ass at identifying solutions.
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You just realized the media was a joke in mid September ?


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rossihunter2 said:
i think he technically could have come back for Monday in Dallas too but Tuesday makes it a sure thing as long as he's through the virus by then
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5 days straight of negative test or completion of the 10 days window is what I read. So yea seems like he could squeak in a start vs Dallas


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The cynic in me also sort of thinks that, like, the NFL is pushing for this game this week in a lot of ways as a punishment. I mean the reality is... if its not played Wednesday, it's getting pushed to week 18 basically. And at that point, the Ravens really have faced almost nothing in the ways of a "punishment". Like playing your undefeated arch-rival with half your roster in quarantine is at least a good step towards "punishment" for breaking protocol.

If instead you get to delay the game by like 6 weeks, then play them at the end of the season, full records in hand, with what can only be a healthier, more rested team? Well that's not a punishment at all.

If that were to happen, I actually think the NFL would drop the hammer on us in terms of offseason punishments. 7 figure fines, and likely at least a day 1 or day 2 draft pick loss. Perhaps even more. Like competitive disadvantage is inevitable this year, but it'd be straight lunacy to have a team break protocol and have an outbreak and the only thing to happen to them was to get to delay the game until they were healthy.
 
Both Dobbins and Ingram, if asymptomatic and clear protocol, are now eligible to suit up on Wednesday against Pittsburgh.
 


this is what ive been saying for a few days now - i really dont think we're gonna lose a draft pick at all let alone a high value one
 
rossihunter2 said:


this is what ive been saying for a few days now - i really dont think we're gonna lose a draft pick at all let alone a high value one
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Idk, I think we should expect a pretty big hammer to come down, there was already a protocol issue with harbaugh taking his mask off on the sideline, so this could be considered offense 2 and the severity alone might put it in a different category than those teams
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Idk, I think we should expect a pretty big hammer to come down, there was already a protocol issue with harbaugh taking his mask off on the sideline, so this could be considered offense 2 and the severity alone might put it in a different category than those teams
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i forgot about the harbs thing
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Idk, I think we should expect a pretty big hammer to come down, there was already a protocol issue with harbaugh taking his mask off on the sideline, so this could be considered offense 2 and the severity alone might put it in a different category than those teams
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I think the hammer drops ONLY if this game on Wednesday isn't played.

If they have to go to a week 18 for just one game, and its because of one team in one game, I think they'll definitely drop the hammer.

If nothing else just to show that the Ravens failures to follow protocol and control spread weren't basically just "rewarded" with delaying the game for 6 games and waiting until we're closer to full strength.

I may be naive in thinking it factors in, but something tells me the league is aware that playing on Wednesday with half a roster is at least part of the punishment itself.

A lot of the "harsher" deterrents have, rightfully so, come against teams who are a) repeat offenders and b) in cases like the Raiders and Saints, show a somewhat blatant disregard for the policies themselves.
 
Jeez doom and gloom crew tonight. Relax guys , it’s going to be a monetary punishment and at worst a late round draft pick.

There is no reason to believe the NFL is suddenly going to jump from fining the raiders (repeat offenders) a 6th round pick to fining the Ravens a top pick

No Harbaugh was not disciplined by the league for lowering his mask to yell during the game

Reeeeeeelaaaaaax


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JoeyFlex5 said:
I’m straight up setting the bar at: playing this Wednesday, and losing our highest comp pick
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so turns out harbs wasnt fined or anything (potentially not even spoken to by the league) about the mask "incident" so this would probably still count as a first time offence
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I think the hammer drops ONLY if this game on Wednesday isn't played.

If they have to go to a week 18 for just one game, and its because of one team in one game, I think they'll definitely drop the hammer.

If nothing else just to show that the Ravens failures to follow protocol and control spread weren't basically just "rewarded" with delaying the game for 6 games and waiting until we're closer to full strength.

I may be naive in thinking it factors in, but something tells me the league is aware that playing on Wednesday with half a roster is at least part of the punishment itself.

A lot of the "harsher" deterrents have, rightfully so, come against teams who are a) repeat offenders and b) in cases like the Raiders and Saints, show a somewhat blatant disregard for the policies themselves.
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the problem with them arbitrarily handing down punishments based on what ultimately happens with the schedule is that it ignores the fact that the breach of protocols was the same in both hypothetical situations

any penalties have to be fit to the breach itself not dependent on the outcome of said breach within reason
 
So what I don’t understand is obviously cases are going up and there will be more scheduling issues. They really should just move the game to week 18 and have all players that couldn’t play this Wednesday for both teams ineligible to play the week 18 game. That way the virus cannot be transmitted to Pittsburgh and they still get the benefit of playing practice squad players.
 
rossihunter2 said:
the problem with them arbitrarily handing down punishments based on what ultimately happens with the schedule is that it ignores the fact that the breach of protocols was the same in both hypothetical situations

any penalties have to be fit to the breach itself not dependent on the outcome of said breach within reason
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Theoretically yes.

My stance is more from a "fairness" level than it is what the NFL will actually do. I agree they're not going to do what I indicated.
 
Sooky said:
So what I don’t understand is obviously cases are going up and there will be more scheduling issues. They really should just move the game to week 18 and have all players that couldn’t play this Wednesday for both teams ineligible to play the week 18 game. That way the virus cannot be transmitted to Pittsburgh and they still get the benefit of playing practice squad players.
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This is where I was the other day, but then what if at week 18 with Playoff implications they have to delay then. I get that they need to get it in, but while it would be bad for us to have been forced to play earlier, the Steelers have to be apprehensive about playing us at all. I wonder if after all the trash talk the other day about just playing the game they even want to hit the field with us. Who really cares, but if their guys get sick just wait for all the cries of foul then. Don't think we could have gotten much closer to a forfeit than this.
 
Idk what kinda medicine is available to them or how bad they had covid but i highly doubt they play anygood when returning. Especially the ones being cleared on game day or before game day.
 
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