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The Good, the Bad, the Ugly, and the Ravens Offense: Week 6 Edition

Truth said:
That's fair, but the former is an option via NFL Game Pass. And with our quarterback playing being also uneven, it's difficult to count entirely on the production evening out. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
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With Game Pass, do you get access to games from past seasons, or is it just for the current season?
 
Christian Schwarz said:
I have absolutely supported Alex Collins so far this year earlier today saying " despite the fact that Collins shows out our offense looks like poop". But still as I said before our starters to begin the season were Terrance West and Buck Allen and even with Collins success and Ryan Jensen and Austin Howard's so called 'exceptional play' we have yet to establish a workhorse back capable of playing 3 down and putting up 100 yards...something we used to do very frequently in our heyday with Ray Rice, and again I say obviously we don't have the Rice like talent or capable o-line to do so.

I didn't mean to claim you made our team sound stacked, but claiming our guys on oline who have yet to allow a 100 yard rusher and have gotten Flacco sacked multiple times per game are exceptional, to me warrants similar comparison to stacked.

We most definitely had a bare minimum 80-20 defense -offense split this offseason and it's obviously showing now.

We lack talent for sure but I do agree with you that on paper even with all the injuries, we are truly better than this
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Again, the Ravens are sixth in total rushing offense. What does it matter if two backs combine for 30 carries and 130 yards or one back does it?

The Ravens have conceded 12 sacks, which ranks in the middle of the pack in the NFL. The worst team in the NFL has allowed 23 (Detroit and Green Bay). Plus, what if the call is for a three step drop and Flacco holds the ball for 10 seconds? We can't reasonably say the offensive line allowed a sack.

The Ravens invested a good bit into the defense, but the offense appeared set in a lot of spots. You have a solid offensive line that really only need a right tackle (and they got one) and maybe another receiver (got one). Can't really help that there was like six injuries/retirements on the line and that Dixon got popped for a suspension and Woodhead is out.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Kyle fuller is trash and their safties are yound and inexpericenced. All those vets shouldve taken advantage
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Kyle Fuller has been pretty good this year and balled out today. Amos is actually playing really well this year. Amukamara has been good enough that he's probably one of the least tested corners in the NFL. Danny Trevathan has always been really strong in coverage.

Not really sure if you've actually watched the Bears this year or not.
 
Truth said:
The initial figures provided above are almost comically incorrect. We passed the ball 24 times in the first half. Even if you discount the 11 straight passing plays to finish the half, we ran the ball just 11 times in the first half, or just 31.5% of our total plays. We did so for a total of 73 yards on those 11 plays. Our passing game netted 84 yards on its 24 plays in the very same span. That's not mentioning the 9 yards lost on two sacks, bringing the total net down to 75 yards. So the final tally pits 11 for 73 against 24 for 75 If anything, we didn't run the ball enough, not when our two runners combined for 123 yards on 23 carries.

And of the 26 plays that were 2nd or 3rd and long in the entire game, only 6 were running plays. They went for a total of 29 yards. The 20 passing plays went for 70 yards, minus 5 lost on a sack. So on 2nd and 3rd and long plays, our running game netted 6 carries for 29 yards, 4.8 YPC. Our passing game netted 65 yards on 20 attempts, 3.25 yards per attempt. I'm personally all for attempt to view situations from different angles. But the circumstances described above are an absolute folly of misinformation.
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Too many IPAs, anger, frustration...leads to oversimplifications. I'll admit when I'm wrong statistically.

Our offense fucking blows am I right or wrong? We run the ball way too much, do in fact run quite a bit of shotgun draws on 2nd and long that are mostly unsuccessful...(go back and look at other games too). And ultimately thus leading to crucial 3rd and longs/ 3 & outs.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Ya he was really raw. Guess what 3 years later....hes still really raw. Theres an issue there
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Like I said, he missed his entire rookie year. Last year was basically his rookie year, and he flashed when he was the 4th receiver. This year he missed a lot of the offseason, and our offense as a whole is trash.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Kyle Fuller has been pretty good this year and balled out today. Amos is actually playing really well this year. Amukamara has been good enough that he's probably one of the least tested corners in the NFL. Danny Trevathan has always been really strong in coverage.

Not really sure if you've actually watched the Bears this year or not.
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Hmmmmm......ironic how they balled out today. They mustve played a bad offense. I watched them vs the Vikings and saw an offense led by a one legged sam bradford and a back up do better than we did
 
Christian Schwarz said:
Too many IPAs, anger, frustration...leads to oversimplifications. I'll admit when I'm wrong statistically.

Our offense fucking blows am I right or wrong? We run the ball way too much, do in fact run quite a bit of shotgun draws on 2nd and long that are mostly unsuccessful...(go back and look at other games too). And ultimately thus leading to crucial 3rd and longs/ 3 & outs.
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Stats mean little or nothing when it is obvious, plain and simple what the issues are. Our play calling has generally shown little or no imagination and we consistently fail at trying to get into a rhythm that breeds success. The O line is pathetically depleted and our receivers do not make plays that NFL receivers are expected to make. And there is no such thing as too many IPAs! lol
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Hmmmmm......ironic how they balled out today. They mustve played a bad offense. I watched them vs the Vikings and saw an offense led by a one legged sam bradford and a back up do better than we did
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I wouldn't say they did any better than the Ravens did, other than not giving up turnovers.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Hmmmmm......ironic how they balled out today. They mustve played a bad offense. I watched them vs the Vikings and saw an offense led by a one legged sam bradford and a back up do better than we did
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The offense led by one legged Sam Bradford was terrible until he left.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Again, the Ravens are sixth in total rushing offense. What does it matter if two backs combine for 30 carries and 130 yards or one back does it?
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Hall of famer Marshal Faulk is one of the few people in today's NFL who despises split back/ rotational RB situations, even though quite a lot of teams like us impliment the strategy.

The way he put it and the way I see it, there is a clear difference between having multiple backs put up 120+ yds and having one back do it. And first off, what has our 6th ranked split back rushing attack done for us??? Not much despite the fact that we are really pushing the run. Yet when Ray Rice was our workhorse putting up similar rushing stats we were winning games more frequently.

Faulk said it takes away from your clear cut lead back's chemistry and poise to sit there and constantly rotate in other RBs as opposed to have 1 back do it all. Yea it's nice to see Alex Collins bust those long runs and all, but then he just gets taken out...as if an NFL caliber athlete needs to take a rest. Then someone else rotates in takes a while to heat up and the hot guy gets cold.

And it just further attests to our lack of talent, good RBs can do it all- 3 things- run, catch, and protect. The fact that we need multiple guys to do that is alittle off.
 
OMG the bears!
we had two kick returns for td and still didn't beat the bears at HOME
fire everybody. everybody h as to go
 
DeVito52 said:
Like I said, he missed his entire rookie year. Last year was basically his rookie year, and he flashed when he was the 4th receiver. This year he missed a lot of the offseason, and our offense as a whole is trash.
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So were gonna make excuses for everyone. Joe's not playing well because his oline cant pass protect. Our oline cant pass protect because nobody can get open. Marty cant call good plays l.....on and ono and on. Stop making excuses and call these players out!!!!! Coaches at the highest level who have no creativity. I mean damn..i see more potential and creativity out of the Florida Gators offense and thats saying something
 
RayRayRaven said:
OMG the bears!
we had two kick returns for td and still didn't beat the bears at HOME
fire everybody. everybody h as to go
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As much of an overreaction this is I cant help but feel the same.....this feels like the worst loss in ravens history....kinda like that Dolphins game in miami where they had their only win of the season
 
Christian Schwarz said:
Hall of famer Marshal Faulk is one of the few people in today's NFL who despises split back/ rotational RB situations, even though quite a lot of teams like us impliment the strategy.

The way he put it and the way I see it, there is a clear difference between having multiple backs put up 120+ yds and having one back do it. And first off, what has our 6th ranked split back rushing attack done for us??? Not much despite the fact that we are really pushing the run. Yet when Ray Rice was our workhorse putting up similar rushing stats we were winning games more frequently.

Faulk said it takes away from your clear cut lead back's chemistry and poise to sit there and constantly rotate in other RBs as opposed to have 1 back do it all. Yea it's nice to see Alex Collins bust those long runs and all, but then he just gets taken out...as if an NFL caliber athlete needs to take a rest. Then someone else rotates in takes a while to heat up and the hot guy gets cold.

And it just further attests to our lack of talent, good RBs can do it all- 3 things- run, catch, and protect. The fact that we need multiple guys to do that is alittle off.
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I'm sure Faulk would hate it because he's one of the few that was actually capable of doing it in the NFL.

One issue I see is that in college, we're getting more specialized with what backs do. There's short yardage guys, guys that are good for first down, pass catching specialist, etc. Backs just aren't coming out as frequently as complete players.

The difference when Rice was here is that Flacco was also playing much better. We can't act as if Rice was the sole reason the Ravens were winning. Even if we had a 28 year old Rice here right now in this offense, I don't think too much would actually change.

Again, I don't care if it's a committee approach or a single back because the Ravens so far are doing just fine.
 
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