JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
It's not about playing it safe, it was about misusing players, and favoring the scheme over the talent, and most importantly putting his guys in a position to fail because he emphasizes unorthodox methods so strongly.
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2018 Free Agency
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Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
With regards to this. Dez is the type of receiver we've been missing since Boldin. Age be damned. Dez may look a tad slower, but he can still be a damn good possession WR for us. Dez and Romo connected because Romo knew how to use a guy like him. Dak is a different type of QB. Dez is a likely bounce back candidate with us. It's why I'd have 0 issues bringing him in. I could see a guy like that meshing with Flacco.
I don't agree with all of his commentary, but I have been stating for awhile that Dez and Dak just didn't click. Not a big reflection of Dak as a QB, but we need a guy like Dez for Joe. I honestly get why the Cowboys would cut him. They need to commit to Dak and anyone who isn't on the same page should probably get out.
I'll take him. He's an easy bounce back candidate in my eyes. I don't buy into the bullshit notion of avoiding 30+ guys. We suck at drafting WRs and Ozzie prefers it this way and over the past god knows how many years we've had only one big failure as of recent(Maclin). Wallace was a success, Steve Smith was a success. Boldin was a success. Mason was a success. Sure, TJ Housh was a little underwhelming and Evans sucked but the track record is better. Dez is a logical choice. Give the man a deal like Alshon Jeffery in terms of situation(not money..). One year prove it deal with incentives and sign the guy to an extension if he can show that he's still got it. Draft multiple WRs in case this fails.
as long as it didnt break the bank and we dont have to give him too many years on a contract id take dez in a heartbeat over a lot of the options that will be available in free agency - added benefit would be that he'd be a cap casualty and wouldnt cost anything against the comp pick formula
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
We have no FAs worth getting other than Jensen. Who cares about the comp pick formula at that point.
I don't think Dez will be too expensive either. His dead cap is 8 mil so he'd still be paid a substantial amount of money by the Boys. As far as WRs that would actually work perfectly with Joe there's not many I think fit like a glove with him.
mike wallace and james hurst likely get comp pick eligible contracts i imagine and of course jensen will too - that's 3 picks we'd start off with...
Dez for sure can ball! id love to have him. He may not be a top wr but he i feel he is dependable.
if we can sign dez and resign jensen.. that would be nice
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Dez won't be too expensive in all likelihood when he hits the market(and he will. Boys are strapped for cap). He'd be a good get for the team. He can do something only Watson could really do last season: catch the ball.
This team is a run the ball down your throat kind of team. That's our identity. We love to utilize our backs. If we are going to go big in FA we should spend some money on a WR no doubt, but the cap cut route might be the way to go. Dez and Sanders would be the two best options. We should honestly go bigger on the oline. Yanda coming back may be a big boost but a Mewhort, or dream scenario Norwell would do wonders.
You could also just focus resources on Dez and getting a guy like Albert Wilson. Both in which would be monumental upgrades to our dismal WR corps and would help the offense massively and fix the oline in the draft....
Cville-Raven
MVP
Can Dez plae CoRnER? We still need anuther one of those guis. Not shur Marlin can turn it uround.
From the nfl top 101 free agents (compiled and aggregated by chris wesseling and gregg rosenthaal)
Rashaan Melvin
CB
The quintessential journeyman prior to last season, Melvin emerged as Indy's top cover corner in Vontae Davis' absence.
-^^^- the above speaks volumes to the colts failures - also makes me wonder why quincy wilson didnt play a lot more than he did...
Rashaan Melvin
CB
The quintessential journeyman prior to last season, Melvin emerged as Indy's top cover corner in Vontae Davis' absence.
-^^^- the above speaks volumes to the colts failures - also makes me wonder why quincy wilson didnt play a lot more than he did...
also interesting is that brent urban is on that list (albeit towards the bottom) but no hurst...
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
I get this feeling that he still wants a good payday something which I don't see the Ravens being able to do. 3 years max is what I'd be willing to do, but yes, I would LOVE Dez in purple and black.
Now this is the same organization who basically ran out Peyton, is in the process/completed the process of destroying Luck's career, and have the unmitigated gall to insult their fans with this.......From the nfl top 101 free agents (compiled and aggregated by chris wesseling and gregg rosenthaal)
Rashaan Melvin
CB
The quintessential journeyman prior to last season, Melvin emerged as Indy's top cover corner in Vontae Davis' absence.
-^^^- the above speaks volumes to the colts failures - also makes me wonder why quincy wilson didnt play a lot more than he did...
i agree but my hope is that a la steve smith he wants to pick a situation where he can guarantee himself targets and a culture of doing something similar (revitalising older wr careers)
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
Because Urban could potentially be a monster albeit if he ever stays healthy. Hurst...not so much.
Id love for us to resign Urban to a cheap prove it deal. If he were to stay healthy and lock down the 5T, bring Henry in on passing downs for either Pierce or Williams along with rotating other guys in like Davis and Wormley, we would have a pretty nice Dline. I really want to see Henry play less snaps so we can actually utilize his ability to get pressure from the middle instead of being worn out in the 3rd quarter from playing the most snaps on the line like he did many times this past season. Hopefully Wink utilizes a better Dline rotation
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
You will absolutely get your chance to test drive these ideas. Be careful what you wish for....
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
One positive if management signs yet one more “DECLINING cap cut Receiver.The offense will be mediocre at best yet again. If it’s lucky enough to be that good. And finally end that nonsense. And begin signing a NO.1 in his prime. And or young receivers with skills looking for opportunity to prove he could be the man. As well as more cracks at WRs in the mid to later rounds in the draft. As opposed to one mid round WR every several drafts. Everybody knows the more lottery tickets you hold the better chance of cashing in.
Only thing holding back WRs like Higgins and Mitchell from becoming stars is Browns QB and coaching situations. And injuries with Mitchell. Then there is so many mid to late round WRs producing around the league. However ravens rarely draft these receivers unless their desperate for WRs like 2011 when Torrey and Doss were drafted.
Problem is when ravens are desperate to draft WRs it happens to be a year not particularly deep in WRs. 2011 there was Green and Jones but shallow after that. Torrey we got the most outa his one dimensional skill set. And Doss was considered a round2 caliber cuz of how shallow that’s draft was in WRs. Management thought he was a steal.lol Then in 2015 there was Torrey who left. And management really wanted to upgrade over him anyways. To a more complete receiver. But again it wasn’t a good year to be needy. Amari Cooper was overhyped top5 talent. Kevin Smith was a great athlete but a lil raw. And I thought Agholor was best in that draft outside of Kevin maybe. And even Agholor woulda been a round2 pick in 2014.
Every time I said Perriman wasn’t a round 1 player and agholor was better on the old board it was met with stiff resistance and even immaturity. But in reality ravens were screwed to hell once Agholor was drafted cuz there was no receiver that was top25 pick caliber on the board. And management put itself in that position to have to reach on Perriman. As a result of all the cap cut signings and older receivers playing out their 1-2 yrs of serviceable play. Management woulda better served by trading that pick for an established NO.1 receiver 28 or younger. As opposed to wasting a pick and round1 at that!!
Only thing holding back WRs like Higgins and Mitchell from becoming stars is Browns QB and coaching situations. And injuries with Mitchell. Then there is so many mid to late round WRs producing around the league. However ravens rarely draft these receivers unless their desperate for WRs like 2011 when Torrey and Doss were drafted.
Problem is when ravens are desperate to draft WRs it happens to be a year not particularly deep in WRs. 2011 there was Green and Jones but shallow after that. Torrey we got the most outa his one dimensional skill set. And Doss was considered a round2 caliber cuz of how shallow that’s draft was in WRs. Management thought he was a steal.lol Then in 2015 there was Torrey who left. And management really wanted to upgrade over him anyways. To a more complete receiver. But again it wasn’t a good year to be needy. Amari Cooper was overhyped top5 talent. Kevin Smith was a great athlete but a lil raw. And I thought Agholor was best in that draft outside of Kevin maybe. And even Agholor woulda been a round2 pick in 2014.
Every time I said Perriman wasn’t a round 1 player and agholor was better on the old board it was met with stiff resistance and even immaturity. But in reality ravens were screwed to hell once Agholor was drafted cuz there was no receiver that was top25 pick caliber on the board. And management put itself in that position to have to reach on Perriman. As a result of all the cap cut signings and older receivers playing out their 1-2 yrs of serviceable play. Management woulda better served by trading that pick for an established NO.1 receiver 28 or younger. As opposed to wasting a pick and round1 at that!!
All facts!!
RL52TheGreatest
Ravens Ring of Honor
Depends on how much he would cost, but agreed. Just as long as it doesn't hinder the development of Tim Williams and Bowser, who both should be used more effectively next season under Wink (at least, that's the hope).