Yeah the PA deep passes are so outdated that a team won a SB with it.
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JoeyFlex5
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Justdewinit20
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I love how everyone on this board takes comments to the extreme, every team runs PA deep passes, but that’s all Rudolph is good at. He can’t make short throws. Eagles run a mix of college spread and west coast schemes along with RPO. They run the ball dink and dunk and then go deep. You take out the threat of the short pass all your left with is running the ball and going deep. That’s what the NFL was.
Yeah I don't care about Rudolph and don't like him as a prospect to be clear, but some offense are based around spreading the field vertically so saying a guy can only do that is just flat out wrong because that's 70% of what some offense need. It's not the end all be all but the deep passing game is still the basis of plenty of successful offenses.
i prefer mike white to both
and i think id prefer waiting to day 3 and grabbing riley ferguson tbh
JoeyFlex5
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Don't like Lauretta. I'll take benkert or falk in the third though.
I like both White and Lauletta. Lauletta s arm is strong enough, plenty of tape with him zipping the ball in and he has some nice nfl traits. I’m the forum mock if Lauletta wasn’t available I would have taken Mike White
cdp
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Lauletta or White. This draft reminds me of the 2011 draft. 4 QB's in the 1st round and 2 in the second. And you can even compare some of them. Kaepernick=Jackson, Locker=Allen, Ponder=Rosen, Gabbert=Darnold.
JoeyFlex5
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there are superficial similarities between some of them and certainly rudolph is going to be overdrafted but
Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield are for sure a class above anything that 2011 class yielded just in terms of talent and ability while Jackson offers similar qualities to kaepernick but in a very different way and Allen and Locker have very few similarities to their game at all
that's not to say that the boom-bust candidates in this draft wont all bust but the level of talent and the floors of those talents is far superior at almost every level to every qb in that 2011 class
there are 4 qbs in this class who could go number 1 in other years and id argue that for sure there is at least 1 (maybe 2) qbs who would/should go number 1 most years in this class - i dont think there were 2 qbs id have graded as 1st rounders in that class - i have 5 qbs in my top 20 players regardless of position or need in this class
yeah i saw that lol - i mostly just ignore voch when he does mocks - he never actually does research into the specific teams needs or histories before he mocks - the only team he really knows is "his" cowboys lol
he's an interesting talent evaluator but an awful mocker
Ravensnation5220
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He has Mike white and Luke Falk ahead of Josh Rosen
Edgar
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There are things to like about Lauletta, Benkert and White.
I like White a bunch but he is very loose with the football....great arm...natural thrower..throws with anticipation and touch.....He really had to run for his life this year and he tried at times too hard to make things happen. My sense is that he could really cut you up when he's protected.
I'm not convinced by Lauletta s arm strength. To me that is the knock but he is exactly the type I like so far as leadership, work ethic and seeing the field pre snap. Accurate thrower....calm and settled in the pocket.
Benkert, I like a lot but like others he needs a year. Incredible deep ball thrower.....makes some throws that are just perfection...really stunning and then just states down his target and gets picked....needs work presnap.....I'm probably between Benkert and White but any of these in the right spot would please me.
I like White a bunch but he is very loose with the football....great arm...natural thrower..throws with anticipation and touch.....He really had to run for his life this year and he tried at times too hard to make things happen. My sense is that he could really cut you up when he's protected.
I'm not convinced by Lauletta s arm strength. To me that is the knock but he is exactly the type I like so far as leadership, work ethic and seeing the field pre snap. Accurate thrower....calm and settled in the pocket.
Benkert, I like a lot but like others he needs a year. Incredible deep ball thrower.....makes some throws that are just perfection...really stunning and then just states down his target and gets picked....needs work presnap.....I'm probably between Benkert and White but any of these in the right spot would please me.
Taze
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I really don’t want mid round QB. There’s like a 99% chance you don’t hit on it and it’s most likely a wasted pick. And even if you do hit, probably at very best he’s an average starter, if that. So now you’re locked into an average QB stuck trying to develop him and see if you can win with him. I’d much prefer to take Flacco’s successor in the 1st and get the most talented guy we can, whether that be this year or later. It’s too important of a position. While there occasionally some good NFL QBs that come from later in the draft, they are far and few between as demand is as high as ever. And we don’t really have the luxury to pass on good players at other positions imo
there's more than 1 qb spot on a team - a mid-round qb who develops into an above-replacement level backup who can keep your team in a couple of games if you starter goes out for a fortnight is invaluable - we never needed Tyrod but he sure as hell was valuable if we had needed him - there's value in a mid-round qb - they cost less than almost every decent backup and you have them under contract for 4 years and you get to develop them in the same system that entire time
a mid-round qb isnt coming in to replace flacco, the mid-round qb is coming in to back him up...
The difference is there was only one qb worth taking in he first in that draft and some didn’t want Newton high in the draft either. This yr many like a lot of the qbs and feel 5 could go in the top 15.
IMO, Kaepernick is nothing like Jackson. Jackson atleast has a 60% completion rate and his the overwhelming majority of his runs are by design, unlike Kap. He also plays in a pro style offense. I’m not sure how you are comparing Pomder to Rosen ams Gabbert to Darnold.
cdp
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I feel like these guys are comparable if you narrow them down. The Ponder/ Rosen type of QB is a smart and intelligent guy who probably doesn't have much room to grown further as a passer. But you know what you're getting on draft day with this type of qb.
My Gabbert/Darnold comp is probably because I'm not high on Darnold. They both got the size and right tools. But they still need to grow as a NFL QB. Gabbert was mobile and knew how to make play out of the pocket. The anti-Newton fraction had him as QB1.
Kap and Jackson are both very athletic guys, but there were/are questions how their play will translate to the NFL level. But we all know if they're figuring it out it ends up being lethal.