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Offensive Coordinator Thread

Lost_In_Translation said:
What are you doing back?
Anyhow.. Yeah. I'd like Roman. But what do you think about a potential Kubiak return?
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as much as i like what roman has done for our running game id prefer him to stay as a positional coach and i wouldnt want to lose him because we promote him and then bring in a new offensive coordinator this offseason...
 
rossihunter2 said:
if i have one criticism of harbs its that he doesnt really have a coaching tree so theres never any long term solutions coming in house - like id love a young coordinator on at least one side of the ball but we havent got anyone nor have we anyone who has developed with us who looks like they might be able to take on that role

now obviously we were right to let rex go and hire john in stead but imagine what would have happened if we'd promoted teryl austin to DC or hue jackson to OC - we might have had them grow for a few years and yes they'd probably both be head coaches by now but surely there'd be more guys coming through under their tutelage - there's a pathway for the good young coaches to follow in house but we dont have any in the building at the moment

bobby engram, joe cullen i think are our newest young coaches and none of them have done particularly well in their roles for me

the one bright spot i think has been chris hewitt - leslie frazier came in and improved this defence but our corners in particular look to be improving this year as well - canady had a great set of first snaps this week, jaylen hill has come on, marlon already looks like a seasoned vet, brandon carr has looked much improved from his cowboys days and jimmy smith is playing at all pro level - the only corner looking diminished on any level is webby who isnt really supposed to be playing corner anyway - that being said our safeties have not been good with hewitt - jefferson has struggled in coverage this year, weddle has struggled more than expected (maybe age rather than coaching there), levine has been good in the dime but not much else, chuck clark has shown nothing in limited snaps, but ironically the safeties has maybe looked best when webby drops into that deep safety role so who knows what's going on

but all this leads to the need to bring in outside voices who naturally arent going to be as ingrained in the ravens style of offence or defence and we have an older coaching staff - there comes a point where we have to take a risk on revamping and getting younger/more creative as a coaching staff too
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I don't know what it'll take to hire younger guys, but I concur. However, to your point about younger coaches as it is, I think Thomas Hammock (RBs coach) is doing a nice job. I knew absolutely nothing of Alex Collins prior to his arrival and look at him now and Buck is in the perfect role of change-of-pace back.

As for Hewitt, I'm pleasantly surprised because he got a flack on the old boards due to the lack of INTs our CBs were forcing last season even though they dropped more than I can remember. It's nice to see our secondary which has been a huge question mark since the 2012 season is becoming one of our strengths. I think with Cullen, he's just working with a lot of young guys in our front-7. I understand it's preseason, but I didn't expect the front-7 to look so dominant then and even in week 1 against the Bengals. Now are the safeties struggling because of him......or is it Pees? I also think Weddle is slowly declining, but still serviceable.

Pertaining to your last point, I feel that there's no way but up at this juncture. I couldn't believe I saw that quote from Pitta in regards to our playcalling. That's beyond disgusting.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
What are you doing back?
Anyhow.. Yeah. I'd like Roman. But what do you think about a potential Kubiak return?
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Taking time to recharge the batteries my friend. It's been nonstop work for the past month. Fun, but need an evening to recover.

Do not want Kubiak back unless we seriously think there's a serious shot for a run. At this point I'd like a fledgling or intermediate tier OC to grow with an offense as we rebuild. I don't want to risk another one year rental with Kubiak unless we get a damn ring.
 
Dom McRaven said:
I don't know what it'll take to hire younger guys, but I concur. However, to your point about younger coaches as it is, I think Thomas Hammock (RBs coach) is doing a nice job. I knew absolutely nothing of Alex Collins prior to his arrival and look at him now and Buck is in the perfect role of change-of-pace back.

As for Hewitt, I'm pleasantly surprised because he got a flack on the old boards due to the lack of INTs our CBs were forcing last season even though they dropped more than I can remember. It's nice to see our secondary which has been a huge question mark since the 2012 season is becoming one of our strengths. I think with Cullen, he's just working with a lot of young guys in our front-7. I understand it's preseason, but I didn't expect the front-7 to look so dominant then and even in week 1 against the Bengals. Now are the safeties struggling because of him......or is it Pees? I also think Weddle is slowly declining, but still serviceable.

Pertaining to your last point, I feel that there's no way but up at this juncture. I couldn't believe I saw that quote from Pitta in regards to our playcalling. That's beyond disgusting.
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yeah we do seem to be one of those teams that gets juice out of other team's trash at certain positions...
this doesnt get mentioned a lot but vince newsome and the pro-scouting team do a hell of a job on a consistent basis especially on those low-level contract guys to bring in
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
What are you doing back?
Anyhow.. Yeah. I'd like Roman. But what do you think about a potential Kubiak return?
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Ya know the more I think about it the less I like the Kubiak idea.

Hear me out.

I think it would be great for the team. I think it will bring great success on the offense.
I think as jacked up as our offense is and with realistic expectations for what we will REALLY be able to accomplish this off season, I think it will be bad for Kubiak as a person.
Healthwise. I think no matter what it will be too stressful for him. Even if our complete offense roster has the best of the best, ( which it won't by any means ) I think it will physically take its toll on him and as a human, I simply can not support that idea. Coaches work long long hours, he doesn't need that at this point in his life.
It all kinda reminds me of the guy that had the spinal condition last year. I forgot his name, my bad.
Sometimes it is just better to know when to say when, even if you have to say it on someone's behalf.
 
K-Dog said:
Ya know the more I think about it the less I like the Kubiak idea.

Hear me out.

I think it would be great for the team. I think it will bring great success on the offense.
I think as jacked up as our offense is and with realistic expectations for what we will REALLY be able to accomplish this off season, I think it will be bad for Kubiak as a person.
Healthwise. I think no matter what it will be too stressful for him. Even if our complete offense roster has the best of the best, ( which it won't by any means ) I think it will physically take its toll on him and as a human, I simply can not support that idea. Coaches work long long hours, he doesn't need that at this point in his life.
It all kinda reminds me of the guy that had the spinal condition last year. I forgot his name, my bad.
Sometimes it is just better to know when to say when, even if you have to say it on someone's behalf.
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I hear ya, health is the most important thing, but one thing to take into account is tha Kubiak hasn’t had any issues while being an offensive coordinator. His health issues have come when he was a head coach. It would be awesome if we could get a few years out of him before he calls it quits. I’d be down with Kubiak as head coach, but no way it works with Roman scheme. That being said, Roman is very flexible, I’ve seen him run different offensive systems for each qb he’s had. He had some spread concepts for Alex Smith in San Fran. Used the zone read and pistol with Kaepernick. If he could work with Kubiak in his stretch zone scheme, we could make this work, but it definitely couldn’t be a power scheme.
 
RavensMania said:
I hear ya, health is the most important thing, but one thing to take into account is tha Kubiak hasn’t had any issues while being an offensive coordinator. His health issues have come when he was a head coach. It would be awesome if we could get a few years out of him before he calls it quits. I’d be down with Kubiak as head coach, but no way it works with Roman scheme. That being said, Roman is very flexible, I’ve seen him run different offensive systems for each qb he’s had. He had some spread concepts for Alex Smith in San Fran. Used the zone read and pistol with Kaepernick. If he could work with Kubiak in his stretch zone scheme, we could make this work, but it definitely couldn’t be a power scheme.
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Yeah, but health doesn't *usually * improve
With age.
 
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