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2022 General Draft Thoughts

JoeyFlex5 said:
Think we might be looking to trade back in round 1, day 2 is seriously strong in this draft, wouldn’t be shocked to see a 2018/2020 type of class where we have a ton of picks on day 2. Think guys like faalele, leal, Winfrey, Travis jones, jamaree salyer, ebiketie, Tyler smith, raimann, woolen, and plenty others make up a day 2 where decosta just refuses to miss out, too many Excellent prospects to only take one in R2
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I mean I think it's the ideal, but (surprise surprise) it depends how the board falls. Top 10 talent? Stay put and make the pick. Otherwise, look to trade back. But I always think the idea of a trade back sounds great, but isn't as easy as it sounds. I know all teams rate players differently, but there's always an assumption that if we get to a point where all of our guys are similarly rated, that other teams aren't in the same boat. We've seen that take place for multiple years now where EDC has said he was holding out for a call but the phone didn't ring.
 
Deebo813 said:
I think some of those pass rushers will fall..
Jermaine johnson, obajo. Not to the 2nd rnd but possibly 20s..
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there's no way any of the top 6 edge guys make it out of the top 25 and i think it's more likely all of them go in the top 20 - for us to feel comfortable trading down for one of those edge guys i think 3 of the top 6 would still have to be on the board at 14 and we probably couldn't drop back more than a few spots and still feel comfortable getting one...
 
Simba said:
I mean I think it's the ideal, but (surprise surprise) it depends how the board falls. Top 10 talent? Stay put and make the pick. Otherwise, look to trade back. But I always think the idea of a trade back sounds great, but isn't as easy as it sounds. I know all teams rate players differently, but there's always an assumption that if we get to a point where all of our guys are similarly rated, that other teams aren't in the same boat. We've seen that take place for multiple years now where EDC has said he was holding out for a call but the phone didn't ring.
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a lot more teams seem reticent to trade up - and maybe some of it's related to the uncertainty around the pandemic and struggling to get the full picture on all prospects so teams have been valuing the extra picks

it's also worth pointing out that it's a weaker draft at the top and it feels unlikely someone's going to try and come up to 14 unless they're trying to get ahead of the eagles 3 picks which would have to be for a safety or an edge or maybe an outside corner - but if there's an edge or a corner valuable enough for a team to give up picks to come grab them, it's likely they're also going to be pretty high on the ravens board too unless it's a massive reach
 
rossihunter2 said:
a lot more teams seem reticent to trade up - and maybe some of it's related to the uncertainty around the pandemic and struggling to get the full picture on all prospects so teams have been valuing the extra picks

it's also worth pointing out that it's a weaker draft at the top and it feels unlikely someone's going to try and come up to 14 unless they're trying to get ahead of the eagles 3 picks which would have to be for a safety or an edge or maybe an outside corner - but if there's an edge or a corner valuable enough for a team to give up picks to come grab them, it's likely they're also going to be pretty high on the ravens board too unless it's a massive reach
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QB is really the only position where I feel like teams move but I'm not sure we're the prime spot for that. You're looking to get around Washington if you're moving up to get someone.
 
In terms of values in rounds and stuff i keep changing my mind and obviously it's all entirely dependent on how the draft actually goes

but there's a lot of "guys" in this deep EDGE class but not many i love... this doesn't feel like last year where it felt like late 1st all the way through day 2 was stacked after a weak top of the class...

this feels like there's 6 guys at the top who are all going in the top 20
then 2 other guys i really like who also might sneak into round 1 (or else will go really early in R2 most likely)

but not in love with the rest of this day 2 group tbh - none of them really doing it for me - feels like there's a massive gap and if we dont go edge round 1 we might not get one until maybe the end of day 2 or even into day 3

and EDC said he already could probably name the 3 guys we might pick at 14 and i kind of feel like maybe that's because we're super high on all these edge guys and we know at least 1 of them's gonna be there...

i know we dont pick for need but i think it might be a case where the need and BPA (on their board) match up - i just feel like our draft composition looks better if we go edge in R1 - id love it if we got a blue-chip guy fall to us like stingley (who feels like the only realistic top guy who could fall albeit not that realistic) but barring that i think we're going EDGE simply by putting the class and EDC's comments together

--- all this of course is dependent on us staying at the pick... and it still might be the same group of 3 players - which again would suggest to me it's going to be an EDGE because otherwise why would he be somewhat confident that we might be able to get our guy somewhere between 14 and 20...

just thinking out loud

i think you could make an argument that Johnson, Walker and Karlaftis all just feel like Ravens kind of guys in their own ways and while Ojabo would be a little against our MO at the position, we did see our MO change somewhat last year with the Oweh pick and obviously there's the Michigan and Macdonald connection which has been much talked about too - just feels like it's more likely to be one of those 4 than not
 
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Not unrealistic at all, and would be an AWESOME class. Missed out on nik bonitto by 1 pick when I took James cook.
 
Deebo813 said:
I think some of those pass rushers will fall..
Jermaine johnson, obajo. Not to the 2nd rnd but possibly 20s..
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I don't think Jermaine Johnson falls to the 20s, but it is possible that Obajo could fall, even though I've seen him in the top 10 in multiple mocks.
 
RavensMania said:
I don't think Jermaine Johnson falls to the 20s, but it is possible that Obajo could fall, even though I've seen him in the top 10 in multiple mocks.
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i just listened to DJ's pre-draft media call and when asked about which edges might be available to the eagles in that sort of 15, 16, 19 range he talked about how it was most likely going to be Ojabo or Karlaftis if anyone

obviously Hutch and KT will be gone but also said Walker would be long gone and that Jermaine Johnson was likely to be gone also
 
I don't know why, but I just don't want Sauce with the 14th pick. He's a great player and all, but I'd rather go edge, OL and DL and pick up a CB later in the draft. Now if Stingley is there.....
 
New DJ Top 50 just dropped:

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Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2022 NFL Draft prospect rankings 2.0

Daniel Jeremiah's updated rankings of the 50 best prospects in the 2022 NFL Draft has 46 players changing spots, including three of the top four QBs. Check out all of the movement, from 1 to 50.
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Travon Walker up to 10th on his board

Cross still outside the top 20

Tyler Smith at 30

Boye Mafe at 33

Winfrey at 45

those are the ones that stick out to me as interesting - some i somewhat agree with but wasnt expecting DJ to and Cross is surprising to me - i know dj's lower on him than many others but i still find that surprising that he's below penning still on DJ's board
 
All_black_everything said:
I know we still have the combine but these mock draft simulators are getting my hopes up. Is it realistic Leal is there in round 2 now?
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absolutely - never should have been thought of in the 1st round at all in the first place

it's probable he goes in the 2nd somewhere but i wouldnt bank on him necessarily going top 50...
 
rossihunter2 said:
absolutely - never should have been thought of in the 1st round at all in the first place

it's probable he goes in the 2nd somewhere but i wouldnt bank on him necessarily going top 50...
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I’ll be honest and say when I watched his film initially I wasn’t a fan of him at 14 but I think I could get behind the pick at 45. Especially if we’re expecting our front four to generate more pressure. I keep finding myself taking either Jermaine Johnson/Ojabo R1 and enticed with the idea of finishing the pass rush with Leal in R2.

So, he’s potentially fallen out of the top 50? Wow. And by the sound of it, He wouldn’t be BPA for you either at 45?
 
All_black_everything said:
I’ll be honest and say when I watched his film initially I wasn’t a fan of him at 14 but I think I could get behind the pick at 45. Especially if we’re expecting our front four to generate more pressure. I keep finding myself taking either Jermaine Johnson/Ojabo R1 and enticed with the idea of finishing the pass rush with Leal in R2.

So, he’s potentially fallen out of the top 50? Wow. And by the sound of it, He wouldn’t be BPA for you either at 45?
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i dont think he's necessarily out of the top 50 - was just pointing out that it wouldnt surprise me at all if he was there at 45 and we took someone else - i think his range probably begins somewhere around 38/39

as some context though - i think TDN is the only place that still has him in their top 32

most boards seem to have him in the mid-40s-late-50s range - Zierlein has him in the mid-late 60s (which is i think the lowest ive found of anyone so far)

he's currently ~33rd(ish) on my board but that's with a ton of guys ive still got left to watch, some of whom will definitely be ahead of him (ive only done 1 WR so far... ive got a couple of corners and at least a handful of WRs im expecting to be above him on the board when i put grades on them)
 
rossihunter2 said:
New DJ Top 50 just dropped:

www.nfl.com

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2022 NFL Draft prospect rankings 2.0

Daniel Jeremiah's updated rankings of the 50 best prospects in the 2022 NFL Draft has 46 players changing spots, including three of the top four QBs. Check out all of the movement, from 1 to 50.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

Travon Walker up to 10th on his board

Cross still outside the top 20

Tyler Smith at 30

Boye Mafe at 33

Winfrey at 45

those are the ones that stick out to me as interesting - some i somewhat agree with but wasnt expecting DJ to and Cross is surprising to me - i know dj's lower on him than many others but i still find that surprising that he's below penning still on DJ's board
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I just have to completely disagree with dj there and I’m a DJ guy, he’s the first one I listen to. Charles cross is an elite pass blocker by any measure, and that’s where it really matters for an OT
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I just have to completely disagree with dj there and I’m a DJ guy, he’s the first one I listen to. Charles cross is an elite pass blocker by any measure, and that’s where it really matters for an OT
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i get that cross isnt the elite freak athlete that neal and ekwonu are and i get that there are some slight question marks about whether his anchor is elite also but ive got way more questions about Penning...

ive got no questions that Cross is going to be at least an average starter at LT in the pros even if he doesnt develop beyond that - that feels like the type of guy you comfortably take in the middle of R1 at tackle (if not earlier)
with penning, there are some who have legitimate questions as to whether he's a tackle at all... that's what i don't completely understand about putting them in that order - i get he's nasty and i get that he's physical but he's not an elite athlete either and he's got way more technical stuff id need to clean up...
 
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I would SHIT if our draft looked like this. Highly doubt anything close to this is possible, especially the 2nd and 3rd picks, but damn this would be fun
 
not saying i would wanna trade back but is there a possibility that we could trade back then use that ammo to trade back in the 1st rnd? What kind of draft capital would that take?
 
Deebo813 said:
not saying i would wanna trade back but is there a possibility that we could trade back then use that ammo to trade back in the 1st rnd? What kind of draft capital would that take?
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from 45 to the back end of 1 we're looking at (via trade charts) something like a late 3rd to a late 4th - recent history suggests something like a mid-to-late 3rd rounder kind of value works

in terms of similar trades that have happened:

2021: Pats gave up 2 4ths to the Falcons to move up 8 spots from 46 to 38
2020: Chargers gave up a 3rd to the Pats to move up 14 spots from 37 to 23
2019: Falcons swapped their 3rd for a 6th with the Rams to move up 16 spots from 45 to 31 (this is probably the closest equivalent trade it's possible to find)
2018: Ravens gave up a 2019 2nd rounder and swapped 4ths (moved up) with the Eagles to move up 20 spots from 52 to 32

id say it's probably unlikely we jump back into the 1st but it's certainly not prohibitive price-wise if we absolutely love a falling prospect who's still there at the end of R1

in trade chart terms a move up from 45 to 32ish should cost roughly the same as the value acquired from a trade down from 14 to 17 but obviously that's purely in a vacuum (and we know the ravens have their own value chart anyway)
 
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