allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Nah, it's just that he'll never get to #14, regardless of injury.
And, for the record, I always liked LSU DBs.
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2022 General Draft Thoughts
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And, for the record, I always liked LSU DBs.
maybe not so much with a mock draft per se but certainly when he updates his top 50
in the same way that mike mayock's positional rankings were always very interesting
also notable that both are better connected to actual nfl personnel staffs than others
same with lance zierlein to a lesser extent - he's a little more influenced in his grades by his own personal biases but he also acknowledges those biases when he talks about how he grades guys (notably was one of the first guys in this process in the media who went... "wtf is up with these big demarvin leal grades?"
also for OL (and occasionally some DL) i really like brandon thorn who does the grades for OL for bleacher report's draft board
D1City55
Pro Bowler
I actually like Daniel Jeremiah's inputs when it comes to the draft, I think him and Matt Miller do a pretty solid job. I love Derek Stingley Jr., that said, my only issue is passing on David Ojabo for him, I just don't know if we do that given how badly we need an edge and having two explosive rushers in him and Oweh could be something serious. Ojabo is hella talented and his familiarity with McDonald will make his transition easier. That's a very tough call for the Ravens, personally I think I agree with DJ and just go with Stingley Jr. because of how talented he is and the fact that we're going to face Jamarr Chase and other talented WRs every year.
This is the great thing about this draft, the top of it has a lot of talent and IMO some late risers that will shock people. 14 is a really good place to pick, some guy will fall to 14 who has no business being there. Maybe Kyle Hamilton, that would be unbelievable.
This is the great thing about this draft, the top of it has a lot of talent and IMO some late risers that will shock people. 14 is a really good place to pick, some guy will fall to 14 who has no business being there. Maybe Kyle Hamilton, that would be unbelievable.
I think DJ and Mayock are 2 guys who are always really good at managing their thoughts (positional rankings) vs. what they're hearing might actually happen (mocks). Obviously mocks will get a little bit more accurate the closer we get but DJ isn't just throwing some of these guys where they are for no reason right now. He might not necessarily believe in the value but he's not going to let that stop him from throwing out an educated guess on what he thinks might happen.
Obviously this extends beyond just Mayock and DJ, for what it's worth.
D1City55
Pro Bowler
There's always some player that goes way higher then anyone anticipates. It happens every year and I can see Penning going that high, especially after his senior bowl. It's unlikely for now but when draft day arrives some guys will rise. The first round of this draft is pretty good and the top 15 is stacked with some good talent, I don't see a lot of potential blue chips after the obvious top 5 outside of Kyle Hamilton.
The draft shaping up like this would be unbelievable for us. I mean Derek Stingley Jr. and David Ojobo both being there would be very interesting.
matt miller is very hit and miss (mostly miss for me tbh)
DJ's the gold-standard in the current nfl draft media landscape
im passing on ojabo for stingley 100% of the time btw - dont fuck around with needs in round 1, just take the best player and if they happen to fill a need then that's just a bonus
with the way the board fell on DJ's mock, there's no way im taking not taking stingley but if i have to take someone else then sure there's probably 2 guys i like in that spot: david ojabo and charles cross... i'd definitely be thinking hard about andrew booth and devin lloyd though too
think based on that mock the way i'd stack it at 14 would be:
Stingley
Cross
Ojabo
Booth
Lloyd
Linderbaum
i get that - i will say that tyler smith in round 1 from what ive read so far feels crazy... might have to queue him up and do a proper eval tonight to see if i can see what's going on there
i know he's one of the youngest prospects in the class
then again it's possible he's doing what mel kiper's famous for doing which is throwing some guys in the end of round 1 in some of his early mocks who he doesnt think are being talked about enough
D1City55
Pro Bowler
I would take Stingley Jr too but it would be very tough to pass on Ojabo, he's a bit raw but talented as hell and still a day one contributor in a place that we've been pretty underwhelming at for a bit. Him and Oweh could create a very fearsome edge duo. That said, Peters is a FA after next season and we don't know how he will look, Averette is mostly likely gone, same with Tavon Young...CB could easily be a need next year. That's something to consider, I would imagine McDonald would vouch for Ojabo and the fit is there, but he's smart enough to see how talented Stingley Jr. is too.
I got Ojabo over cross and Linderbaum over Lloyd though I would be disappointed if we came away from the first round with Linderbaum, even if we don't resign Bozeman because someone really good at a premium position like CB/Edge was there and we passed on him.
Smith feels like Penning-lite to me. Lots of those physical and athletic abilities and a smash the guy's face in front of you, but a lot that needs to come together to reach that potential. I agree that it feels too high but I do like him and think teams could fall in love with the intangibles.
i disagree tbh - i think this is one of the weakest 1st rounds in a while - last year's top 15 was stacked and i think maybe only 4 or 5 guys from this year's class might have interrupted that top group last year (just as a context note)
the problem in 2021 was that the quality massively dropped off somewhere in R4... this class looks to be a lot deeper on day 3 than that class
that kind of raw but traitsy guy is hard to judge at OT for sure in terms or projecting where they'll go ultimately
in 2021 james hudson went in the 4th round
in 2020 austin jackson went in the 1st
they're not the exact same as each other or tyler smith but all fit the profile of being young traitsy athletic potential left tackle types with a ton of issues to fix with their technique...
ojabo is definitely more draftable than he otherwise would be because oweh's already here and is already an effective and stout run defender
the ceiling with ojabo is through the roof, maybe the biggest ceiling of any player regardless of position in the class (ekwonu, stingley and hamilton maybe the only other guys in that conversation)
his length, bend, explosion are all high quality traits to have and he's flashed the kind of moves and hand usage that suggest he could impact in year 1 as a rush specialist - but there's a worry that he might struggle vs the run and might be sat on the bench more than you'd want from a high 1st rounder - there's a risk-reward calculation you need to do with ojabo that you don't necessarily need to do with some of those other prospects (but that's why GMs and personnel staffs get paid so much lol)
ive noticed a lot of john ridgeway and otito ogbonnia picks lol - popular day 3 values on TDN right now methinks
i really am not a fan of NPF at all - i cant touch him before day 3 personally (technique's a mess - especially in the passing game - and he seemingly hasnt got the functional strength to live vs power)
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I feel you on NPF but idk he was projected as a first rounder a year ago and he’s got some things to like, feels like a roll the dice kinda thing
and I’ve always liked ridgeway, and just recently discovered ogbonnia, think ridgeway is minimum gonna be a solid player in the nfl and has a much higher ceiling than just solid. Ogbonnia is probably a redshirt but man he’s got enormous potential
the big ones in that are Johnson, Winfrey, and Emerson. That’s a seriously strong looking defensive draft class to open up with, would be a game changer
i havent seen a single snap of emerson yet - what do you like about him?
coming back to this now that ive watched 3 games of smith
if you watch the cincinnati game in 2020 he looks like a 1st rounder
if you watch the houston game in 2021 he looks like a mid day 3 guy
what worries me is that he hasnt seemingly developed from the player i saw in that 2020 tape in any notable way - now maybe that's coaching or something but it worries me that i havent seen any evidence of those kinds of strikes or hand accuracy/timing in either of the 2 games in 2021 that i watched barring a couple of plays where he had to be particularly proactive (like at the goal-line)
when he gets that hand placement right it's really exciting especially given how powerful and long he is
needs some work in his pass sets (mostly his initial kick-step) too
that all being said i do like him... i think i like him in the same sort of area as i like guys like rasheed walker, daniel faalele and bernhard raimann... especially when i think about fit
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allblackraven
Hall of Famer
We don't want a little bro as an O lineman.
he's young and fairly athletic and i think there's potentially some developmental upside there and i'd welcome him as a day 3 pick but not touching him until then personally
