not only that but it's like 50 years old too - rare that a team will ever get a chance at that record ever again
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The Passing Game, The Running Game and another OL Injury
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not only that but it's like 50 years old too - rare that a team will ever get a chance at that record ever again
D1City55
Pro Bowler
I think Murray is good at picking up extra yards and I think hes deserving of the #2 spot given what we have but hes not going to be making home run plays. We badly need those and right now we only have 1 player capable. I don’t really want to bother with which player is better at X,Y, and Z because based on what the film shows I don’t need an analytical deep dive to know that at this point Williams is the better back. Hes better at hitting the holes quicker, better at making moves, breaking tackles and is overall better in space.
idk what analytics you're referring to but im watching film that's telling me that Williams is missing the hole, missing reads... and also he's not a home-run threat - he had 1 explosive play when the defence was committed to stopping 4th and 1 and he got sprung and he did well to score it but most backs would have got a chunk there
Williams has some short-area burst which is nice but it's meaningless if he can't hit the hole
I think Williams is for sure one of the top 3 backs on this roster right now but he might be number 3...
first time ive really seen Oweh use his length well as a pass rusher in a ravens jersey - he just keeps adding tools to his belt and combining different elements of his athleticism to be successful
the veer is our most explosive play as well. Lamar's been running the veer ever since he started at Louisville.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Yeah I'm conflicted on the value of Elliott. A good tackler no doubt, but I don't know if he's the kind of player that we must retain, or if it's just that guys like Stephens aren't developed enough yet to replace him, and he's significantly better than anybody else on the roster.
He was the one guy I was pretty sure we were going to let go this offseason, but now I'm not so sure.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
Commentators pretty much nailed it by saying "Oweh is a problem for teams". Would really like to see us get somebody else more consistent who can book-end. Obviously couldn't retain him, but would have loved to have seen how Judon and Oweh would have played off each other.
i think he's replaceable - his role and his play level is important to the defence as it is but i dont think he's irreplaceable - it's more that right now Stephens is new to the position and Geno Stone is very much a strong safety type and they dont seem to like Ardarius Washington as a safety (they prefer him it seems as the backup nickel)
my guess is he'll be behind Bozeman, Averett and Ricard in the hierarchy of ideal free agent re-signings but someone they'd like to retain
we're going to get to see a lot of Brandon Stephens this year and how he develops will tell us a lot - important to remember that Elliot and Clark both took longer to see the field than Stephens has
for sure but he and Houston have worked well opposite each other and Tyus Bowser was awesome this week - obviously houston's not a superstar anymore and Bowser's not a consistent pass rusher at all but this pass rush is better than last year's
but it's nice seeing Judon getting respect in primetime now that he's got that big deal
D1City55
Pro Bowler
I don’t have the #s on what Latavius is averaging on yards after contact but I don’t think it’s anything significant, also his lack of lateral movement is literally causing us to lose yardage, Williams on the other hand is literally averaging 3.5 yards per contact. The coaches are concerned about his runs but has anyone else been that much better at exposing cutback lanes? Also, I don’t see how you downplay that TD run, Williams took advantage of poor gap integrity but was able to but was able to get away from multiple defenders in that process including the safety who he slipped on a tackle from, thats a play that Murray just cannot make. Also, are we going to downplay this when Latavius longest run of the season is 11 yards? Hes not going proving that hes capable of those long chunk plays that the Ravens have operated on the past few years. Also, look at that Chiefs game and tell me that Ty’son isn’t capable of explosive plays, he actually had plenty of good runs that game outside of the fumble in which he would have scored a TD if Duvernay had simply held onto his block. I think Murray is good in short yardage situations but at this moment thats all I see, he doesn’t even provide value in pass catching where I see Williams as the superior back.
Also, there’s been talk about Williams poor pass blocking but PFF grades Williams as the 4th best pass blocker while Murray is ranked as the 4th lowest.
Even in all 3 phases, Williams has an argument as the better back, this doesn’t mean we have to phase out Murray but giving him 18-20 carries a game would be flat out ineffective.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Was watching with my stepdad yesterday, and I was talking up Oweh, him being the hater he is, said “he wasn’t even blocked”
I said yeah because he’s too good lol
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I want Adam Anderson in the draft. I fucking dream of those 2 bookending a 4 man rush
this is a bit of a weird set of arguments for a couple of reasons - williams hasnt been brought in to be our 3rd down back and so hasnt done it much - id say its pretty clear that's what lev bell's going to be for...
and in terms of the carries - Murray only got 18 carries yesterday because we had a 2 score lead and were salting the lead away
lol he tried blocking him it just didnt work
im gonna say the refs were pretty blind about hits to both QBs yesterday but it seems Lamar just never gets these RTP calls even in the pocket (nothing to do with when he scrambles and refs forget to give him some protection)
D1City55
Pro Bowler
He never was brought in for that role simply because they’re in the process of figuring things out, it seems like the Ravens haven’t had an idea of what they want to do atm. Also he had 18 compared to Freemans 1 and Bells 4. Murray mainly got carries in short yardage situations which is his specialty, I don’t find it to be a weird argument since he played 62% of snaps compared to Bells 20% and Freemans 6%, it’s obvious that he played a lead back role for this game and it was difficult to commit to the run given the lack of success. He had 17 snaps in the first half compared to Bells 9 and Freemans 6. They gave Bell a look in the first half but Murray got the bulk of the carries in the first half. That’s a lot IMO for a guy who doesn’t have a role in passing situations nor has displayed pass block efficiency this year. This is compared to Bell is a proven asset in the passing game and blocking.
Ben Cleveland playing running back on that play would have scored.
most of those snaps for murray that make the difference look stark there came on the last offensive drive
he's currently the lead back and he will remain as such
the reason we saw more of him in the 2nd half was to salt the game away
RL52TheGreatest
Ravens Ring of Honor
Yeah, I doubt any team will come close after this with the way the game has changed to favor passing. It's honestly kinda fitting that the top two teams will be the Ravens and Steelers with our styles of football.
