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2023 General Draft Thoughts
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SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
Absolutely not. I don't want a guy who puts mayonnaise in his coffee anywhere near our team.
RaineV1
Ravens Ring of Honor
Look, Marvin Humphrey needs someone to make his food takes seem normal. The two of them could even start a food podcast.
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Extreme character concerns. 7th round grade at best.
That’s generous
Dude’s undraftable
Only reason he should go in R1 is QB inflation
He’s not even close to the same class as the other 3 guys - he’s got traits and not much else
Just curious, why do you have Richardson in the same class as Young and Stroud? He’s also a high risk/reward traits guy. What differentiates the two on your mind? That being Levis and Richardson
i see a difference between stroud and young and richardson but it's a lot smaller than the difference between richardson and levis
richardson is a better athlete and while he's still needing development, i see tape that suggests he's got the ability to reach that ceiling - you see him throwing the ball away, not taking sacks, throwing with anticipation outside, holding safeties with his eyes, setting protections and problem solving pre-snap, getting to 3rd reads in progressions
obviously that's not all the time or else he'd be the easiest 1st pick in the draft most years
but you can see all those things on the tape as well as the obvious athleticism
i dont see that with Levis - i see a guy who's unsure of what he's seeing, who takes extra hitches before throwing to open receivers, who has to see it to throw it, who's late getting off his 1st read - was asked to make full-field reads with an awful OL but still should have been getting through his progressions quicker, takes so many hits and sacks, put the ball in harms way
Levis has got lots of tools - has that arm strength and some athleticism but to me is far more of a project than Richardson
I appreciate the breakdown on both of them but Richardsons shows his positives and Levis’ spotlights his negatives. What do you think Richardson struggles with and what does Levis do well?
richardson has some accuracy issues that show up a lot - somewhat related to his mechanics in the pocket - can throw a beautiful deep ball one play then put a checkdown or quick out in the dirt
his offence asked him to do full-field reads but not all the time
plays QB on the move and shows really good pocket feel and movement to manipulate pressure - but can occasionally bail out of a clean pocket too early
inconsistent reading the middle of the field vs zone - throws with less anticipation inside than outside and can be hesitant over the middle
Levis has all the physical tools you could want, plays with grit, played in a pro-style offence, can generate great velocity with his arm from awkward angles and off-platform, looked better with better talent in 2021
I think Levis has great tools but the reason i think he's way further away in terms of development - think he's got some poor habits that need improving, some awkward lower body mechanics that need fixing and a bunch of development with his decision-making and processing - that's why i wouldnt take him in R1 - day 2 though he'd be a great get but the QB inflation means he may go top 10 which seems crazy to me - like i dont think most of his issues are inherently unfixable but i think there's a bunch more work to do with him vs Richardson
that's not to say that Richardson doesnt have things to develop - think you have to simplify your offence for him early in his career (and while many will say that you can just plug him into the ravens offence, i think he and lamar play QB as passers very differently stylistically and the only real commonality is that the Ravens have an offensive setup built to accommodate QB run game)
Richardson is a guy im happy taking in the 1st round
Young and Stroud still a tier above but Richardson feels a lot closer to them than Levis does to him
You don’t have any issues with Richardsons college record and lack of experience? And do you anticipate his inconsistencies throwing the ball are fixable?
I understand Richardson has more potential and is better all around but to me they’re kind of similar prospects.
How do you see Hooker in reference to Levis and Richardson?
i dont know what you mean by his college record - and if you mean win/loss then i dont care about that lol
but when looking at a "developmental" prospect im not too worried about lack of experience - he's not a finished product and there's plenty of film to evaluate against high level opposition
and i do think his issues are fixable - he's shown he can do all the things you want in terms of the pocket play and his biggest issues with accuracy, to me, are mechanical which are most definitely fixable
my one real lingering concern is about how well he sees the middle of the field but that's where his inexperience kind of lends him some leeway in that he's still developing and it's not out of the question that he can develop there (trevor lawrence and many other young QBs have - Lawrence who was very much not the generational finished product he was thought of by draftniks that year)
the only real similarities, for me, between Richardson and Levis is that they're underdeveloped guys with high ceiling traits - stylistically they're very different QBs who play very differently
and with Levis, the issues seem far more likely to be unfixable than with Richardson
this obviously ignores the fact that we have no idea what these guys are like on the board, how they do in the room, how they study, how coachable they are etc. which is maybe more important for QBs than any other position
i dont like Hendon Hooker much as a prospect tbh - especially for where he's supposedly going to go in the draft - dude's got Tyler Huntley arm lol - he's a 25 year old rookie coming off a torn ACL who doesnt really have the arm talent to fit the ball into tight windows and played in a super unique and simplified offence - he throws with fairly decent mechanics and a nice quick release but his base can get too narrow especially on shorter throws - showed some nice game manager type skills but not going through full field reads the way the "top 4" QBs were/are (and tbh far more than just the top 4) - he looks to me like a developmental backup who's gonna be nearly 30 by the time he ends his rookie deal - climbs the pocket well but as soon as he faced consistent pressure, you could see his internal clock is too slow (will levis took hits but his clock was much quicker), i like that he calls protections, i like that he's patient letting his receivers get into their routes and i like how he stays in rhythm in that offence
i see a gap between richardson and levis
there's a vast chasm between levis and hooker (and im not convinced hooker's even QB5 tbh)
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Can we make a list of guys we actually want to select at 22 otherwise move back? It will be fun to cross off guys and see what the Ravens do.
I'd say and happy to have others ammend that it would make sense to take (from CB and WR)
Devon Witherspoon
Christian Gonzalez
Can Smith
JSN
Zay Flowers
Jordan Addison
I'd say and happy to have others ammend that it would make sense to take (from CB and WR)
Devon Witherspoon
Christian Gonzalez
Can Smith
JSN
Zay Flowers
Jordan Addison
At 22?
In no particular order:
Jalen Carter
Will Anderson
Tyree Wilson
Myles Murphy
Christian Gonzalez
Devon Witherspoon
Cam Smith
Bryce Young
CJ Stroud
Anthony Richardson
JSN
Zay Flowers
And maybe calijah Kancey and Emmanuel Forbes
In reality… only guys I want at 22 who we may have a shot at are
Cam smith
Emmanuel Forbes
Myles Murphy
Zay Flowers
And maybe calijah Kancey
And tbh I’m not beholden to any of those guys enough that I wouldn’t consider a trade down (except for cam smith but I’m not sure the nfl is as high on him as some of us are)
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Love the list. Mannnnn it would be hard to pass on Cam Smith.
forgot to add peter skoronski to the list who's probably great value at 22
but also we really dont need to spend a 1st rounder on a guard lol...
id understand though, if the ravens thought JPJ, deonte banks, nolan smith, lukas van ness, will levis, jordan addison, QJ were guys worth picking at 22 too based on how some other draft guys view them
and bijan robinson obviously also...
and bijan robinson obviously also...
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Gonna be a wild draft
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Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
I ain't gonna lie. As we get closer to the draft, I feel it's more and more likely we'll trade back which sucks because I would love to get Zay Flowers. Then again, I feel like I'm gonna rage when either the Giants, Chargers, or the other purple team draft him.
That being said, Brother @JAAM , who on this list is on your #SIIE Candidates list?