Way-Too-Early Prospect Watch: 2019

[JoeyFlex5]

What do you guys think of Marquise Brown, the WR from Oklahoma? A bit on the small side, but he's incredibly explosive and is used to moving around and getting used all over the offense. He's a bit like Deebo Samuel in that regard.

I like him but not for us. I have a very specific vision of Lamar’s ravens and over the top burners aren’t included, and I understand brown is way more than that, I really like him, and if this was prime joes team then I’d spend a first, but this is lamars team now and we’re gonna need guys who can catch in traffic and work the intermediate middle really well.

 

[allblackraven]

Idk man, I like Mack Wilson, he’s not lacking in any department, he’s fast, instincts are stellar, he slides right off of blocks when moving laterally, and violent as fuck, but Devin White is just more appealing to me, he just strikes me as more of a playmaker and slightly more of a modern nfl LB. if white is a top 10 guy to me then Mack is a top 16 guy. If they were both on the board where we pick, id be hard pressed to think of a player I’d take over white, I can’t say the same for Wilson.

I think Wilson is better in coverage.
It's very close to me but as a proper homer, I'd take Mack.

 

[allblackraven]

I like him but not for us. I have a very specific vision of Lamar’s ravens and over the top burners aren’t included, and I understand brown is way more than that, I really like him, and if this was prime joes team then I’d spend a first, but this is lamars team now and we’re gonna need guys who can catch in traffic and work the intermediate middle really well.

But we have guys like that already. I think Brown is gone after this season to the team that will pay him more. We could definitely use a good burner, it's not like Lamar can't sling it down the field.

 

[rossihunter2]

But we have guys like that already. I think Brown is gone after this season to the team that will pay him more. We could definitely use a good burner, it's not like Lamar can't sling it down the field.

its not even like we need a burner to take the top off the defence - we need speed in our receiving corps generally - the most dangerous non-qb in the nfl at the moment is tyreek hill - partly because of his ability to take the top off but also his speed is so difficult to cover in the middle of the field, on screens, on end-arounds etc.

we need to add speed and quickness to this offence even if it doesnt come in the form of a deep threat traditional burner

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Wilson is better in coverage.
It's very close to me but as a proper homer, I'd take Mack.

Nothing wrong with that, Wilson is better in coverage as of now, but I think White is an all around better playmaker, he makes plays behind the line at a shocking rate and is only slightly behind Wilson in coverage, with the length and ridiculous speed to eventually become way better.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

its not even like we need a burner to take the top off the defence - we need speed in our receiving corps generally - the most dangerous non-qb in the nfl at the moment is tyreek hill - partly because of his ability to take the top off but also his speed is so difficult to cover in the middle of the field, on screens, on end-arounds etc.

we need to add speed and quickness to this offence even if it doesnt come in the form of a deep threat traditional burner

I get that entirely, I just don’t know if Marquise brown is that guy. He’s got the speed to do that but I highly doubt he’s got the body. He’s gonna have to be used very creatively at the next level if you aren’t using him as a pure burner imo.

 

[allblackraven]

its not even like we need a burner to take the top off the defence - we need speed in our receiving corps generally - the most dangerous non-qb in the nfl at the moment is tyreek hill - partly because of his ability to take the top off but also his speed is so difficult to cover in the middle of the field, on screens, on end-arounds etc.

we need to add speed and quickness to this offence even if it doesnt come in the form of a deep threat traditional burner

The thing about Hill is that he's not only fast - he runs good route, has great hands and is so quick that you can't press him. I seriously do not see how can he be at least contained, if he can't be stopped.

 

[rossihunter2]

I get that entirely, I just don’t know if Marquise brown is that guy. He’s got the speed to do that but I highly doubt he’s got the body. He’s gonna have to be used very creatively at the next level if you aren’t using him as a pure burner imo.

The thing about Hill is that he's not only fast - he runs good route, has great hands and is so quick that you can't press him. I seriously do not see how can he be at least contained, if he can't be stopped.

yeah im not saying marquise brown is necessarily the person but that speed isnt necessarily something we dont need just because its lamar not joe

as always - the 2 qualities i want out of a wr before anything else are hands and route running

 

[Oldfaithful]

Just build the trenches. Get a pass rushing dlinemen or two. Get some interior olinemen.

Don’t care what you do. Protect our new QB and get dogs who can hunt. Lamar has the weapons to help him develop. Protect him, get people who can run block and next year should be a good one.

 

[rossihunter2]

Just build the trenches. Get a pass rushing dlinemen or two. Get some interior olinemen.

Don’t care what you do. Protect our new QB and get dogs who can hunt. Lamar has the weapons to help him develop. Protect him, get people who can run block and next year should be a good one.

if im honest i kinda dont care about the defence - if a worldly talent falls to us then fine we take him but we've seen the blueprint for successful young qbs and that's to surround them with weapons and an OL

so i dont really care about the DL unless Quinnen Williams is there (and he wont be) - this of course is all subject to change when i get to the tape etc. - but we need to get younger at wr - hopefully lasley develops and gets some chances, likewise hopefully chris moore earns more playing time but we need some young high pedigree wr talent

 

[JoeyFlex5]

The thing about Hill is that he's not only fast - he runs good route, has great hands and is so quick that you can't press him. I seriously do not see how can he be at least contained, if he can't be stopped.

Hill is also thick, he’s built like AB, he can absorb some contact and keep on truckin, Marquise brown will never be that guy.

 

[allblackraven]

I have a sneaky feeling 2019 and 2020 classes, in terms of quality, will be '13 and '14 all over again.
Except there's no Manti Te'o and his GF

 

[Grim]

If White is top 10, where do you see Mack Wilson?

White: 11
Wilson: 16

Idk man, I like Mack Wilson, he’s not lacking in any department, he’s fast, instincts are stellar, he slides right off of blocks when moving laterally, and violent as fuck, but Devin White is just more appealing to me, he just strikes me as more of a playmaker and slightly more of a modern nfl LB. if white is a top 10 guy to me then Mack is a top 16 guy. If they were both on the board where we pick, id be hard pressed to think of a player I’d take over white, I can’t say the same for Wilson.

I’d agree however...

I think Wilson is better in coverage.
It's very close to me but as a proper homer, I'd take Mack.

I think Wilson better in coverage and I think he has better ball skills but only marginally. I think White is better against the run but I don’t think White is even far behind Wilson in coverage. I think White is a better pass rusher.

Nothing wrong with that, Wilson is better in coverage as of now, but I think White is an all around better playmaker, he makes plays behind the line at a shocking rate and is only slightly behind Wilson in coverage, with the length and ridiculous speed to eventually become way better.

I’d agree with this. I wouldn’t mind either but I do somewhat wonder how good Wilson is without that Alabama DL. I think their DL > LSU DL

 

[Grim]

What do you guys think of Marquise Brown, the WR from Oklahoma? A bit on the small side, but he's incredibly explosive and is used to moving around and getting used all over the offense. He's a bit like Deebo Samuel in that regard.

My guy is still Paris Campbell.

I like him but not for us. I have a very specific vision of Lamar’s ravens and over the top burners aren’t included, and I understand brown is way more than that, I really like him, and if this was prime joes team then I’d spend a first, but this is lamars team now and we’re gonna need guys who can catch in traffic and work the intermediate middle really well.

Neither Brown really makes me jump up for them right now. They’re good but I need to watch them more because I wasn’t overly impressed and didn’t see something that said first round pick.

But we have guys like that already. I think Brown is gone after this season to the team that will pay him more. We could definitely use a good burner, it's not like Lamar can't sling it down the field.

I agree we need a burner. We have Moore but who knows what happens with him. Avoiding a deep threat because he doesn’t fit Lamar doesn’t seem to help your QB who needs to throw deep have a target to throw deep lol

its not even like we need a burner to take the top off the defence - we need speed in our receiving corps generally - the most dangerous non-qb in the nfl at the moment is tyreek hill - partly because of his ability to take the top off but also his speed is so difficult to cover in the middle of the field, on screens, on end-arounds etc.

we need to add speed and quickness to this offence even if it doesnt come in the form of a deep threat traditional burner

We need someone with speed to take the top off the defense, yes. Even with Lamar we could use that guy because if and when Lamar proves he can throw deep teams will have to stop stacking the box and it will open up the box for Lamar to run if need be.

I get that entirely, I just don’t know if Marquise brown is that guy. He’s got the speed to do that but I highly doubt he’s got the body. He’s gonna have to be used very creatively at the next level if you aren’t using him as a pure burner imo.

Brown is OK but I just like other WR more than him.

 

[Grim]

Just build the trenches. Get a pass rushing dlinemen or two. Get some interior olinemen.

Don’t care what you do. Protect our new QB and get dogs who can hunt. Lamar has the weapons to help him develop. Protect him, get people who can run block and next year should be a good one.

We need a G or C—preferably the latter who can do both—and a pass rusher and someone to cover TE. Those are big needs IMO. After them we could use a deep threat WR, a S who can cover and has ball skills, and a RB who can be a complete player. Those are our needs. It would be nice to have an interior DL who can rush the passer and a G who can replace Yanda. Those are the wants.

I don’t like the idea of drafting two OL in the early rounds. It’s rare two rookie OL immediately contribute.

 

[allblackraven]

I agree we need a burner. We have Moore but who knows what happens with him. Avoiding a deep threat because he doesn’t fit Lamar doesn’t seem to help your QB who needs to throw deep have a target to throw deep lol

Moore is funny. In last few games he made some important and extraordinary catches. I don't know why is it that when he plays more, he becomes mostly invisible. Not getting open, not being targeted by calls... Something doesn't seem right, I just can't tell what is it.

 

[rossihunter2]

Moore is funny. In last few games he made some important and extraordinary catches. I don't know why is it that when he plays more, he becomes mostly invisible. Not getting open, not being targeted by calls... Something doesn't seem right, I just can't tell what is it.

it is weird - he had 28 snaps this week though which suggests the coaching staff are looking for ways to get him involved (the counter being that they like him as a run-blocking wr - although im not sure if he's actually a better run blocker than either of our top 3 wrs)

 

[RavensMania]

yeah im not saying marquise brown is necessarily the person but that speed isnt necessarily something we dont need just because its lamar not joe

as always - the 2 qualities i want out of a wr before anything else are hands and route running

You mean the definition of Breshad Perriman

 

[rossihunter2]

You mean the definition of Breshad Perriman

boom

 

[JoeyFlex5]

@Grim like I said I like brown but not for us. Brown strikes me as a guy who is a first rounder for the right team and a 2nd rounder for most teams. A team with a legitimate passing qb who can make every throw and has a legit OL could take him as a first rounder, the eagles, lions, rams, Steelers, browns, patriots, chiefs, and with the recent improvement in the OL the colts all come to mind. Discounting other WRs these teams have, he would fit and would be valuable enough as a round 1 guy, his ability as a burner is undeniable, he should be able to beat any cb in the league deep by the time he refines his get-off enough to beat nfl press, and he tracks and catches those balls extremely well, he’s not just a breadbasket type catcher either, he’ll adjust to one that isn’t perfectly placed, he’s got focus to catch them if a db trying to recover gets a hand up in his vision. I honestly like brown quite a bit, but I don’t see him as a guy who can do much of anything for lamar.

Honestly, use our TEs much more, like target them with at least a third of our attempts with plays designed to use TEs well(boots, jumbo formation play action, chip plays etc.) and use Chris Moore as the deep guy. After that Snead and another big bodied sure handed guy would be excellent, that’s why I like nkeal Harry, he can take a slant to the house with his excellent YAC and his big bodied grown man style of play makes him someone who could become a reliable target in traffic