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Lamar Jackson
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Yes i agree with barkley for sure. Could also argue ODB.
Havent really thought about it but youre def correct with this one lol
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
If he could learn how to be more accurate I’d be more inclined to agree.
I like him, but he’s got problems he needs to fix. Denying that is just denying the truth. He hasn’t yet proven that he’s a franchise QB yet. He deserves the chance and we are clearly going to give it to him, but we really need to temper our expectations. This will be his first year as the full time guy. His safety nets were taken away from him. We have a young team. I fully expect that when we win games, it’ll be in spectacular fashion, but I also expect some bad losses.
This is anywhere from a 7-9 year to a 10-6 one. This team certainly has the talent to make the postseason and win the division. But we need to pump the breaks here.
mack and Von Miller are absolutely generational players as is Julio Jones. I think AJ Green is just below generational talent, but he's damn good.
I don't consider it a position by position thing, but I do include every position. I don't say he was a generational player for an offensive lineman. He has to be way above elite in my eyes, like Zach Martin level elite. Yes there have been more than ten players since 1971, the year I started watching football, but I was kidding with that number. Of course there are more, but not like you are making them out to be in your post. You mentioned 9 players in your original post and now agree that there are maybe 10-20 players per decade. I'd say it's closer to ten than twenty.
Generational and HOF may intertwine a bit, but not all HOF's are Generational Talents. It does work the other way around though. Garrett has that ceiling but it's WAY too early to tell in my eyes. Zeke is no way a generational talent and we will agree to disagree with that one. That waters down the talent of actual generational talents such as Adrian Peterson. Peterson is by far the better player and one of the best RB's in history. Zeke is running behind a WALL. It's there offensive line that has paved the way and why I see Zach Martin as a generational talent. It's too early to see if Nelson is going to be that type of player, but he certainly has the talent and I do believe he becomes a generational talent. He was my top player in the 2018 draft. In regards to Adams, that entire defense is loaded, especially now. He's definitely a leader and one of the best young Safeties in the game. Does he have a chance to become a generational talent, maybe he does, but not at this point when he's heading into his third season.
I absolutely agree, we need to temper are expectations and not jump on LJ with every incomplete pass. It isn't fair to him at all. I think we have a chance to go 11-5, but feel our worst case scenario is right where you say it is at 7-9. Of course this all depends on how healthy our team is as well.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
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I’ve counted 15 players I had with that grade. Keuchly, Luck, Mack, Donald included there. Zeke is running behind a wall yes but to think that Joe Schmo could lead the league in rushing in 2/3 first seasons behind that line is naive. It’ takes a Uber talented player and he is that. Adams was the catalyst for turning that D around.
It’s more of a disagreement. You believe to evaluate them. I’m evaluating their talent beforehand. You’re doing so after. But my way of evaluating is perfectly valid.
Btw 15 total dudes out of 2500 is 0.6% of eligible prospects over the past ten years have earned that grade.
I’ve counted 15 players I had with that grade. Keuchly, Luck, Mack, Donald included there. Zeke is running behind a wall yes but to think that Joe Schmo could lead the league in rushing in 2/3 first seasons behind that line is naive. It’ takes a Uber talented player and he is that. Adams was the catalyst for turning that D around.
It’s more of a disagreement. You believe to evaluate them. I’m evaluating their talent beforehand. You’re doing so after. But my way of evaluating is perfectly valid.
Btw 15 total dudes out of 2500 is 0.6% of eligible prospects over the past ten years have earned that grade.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
QuothTheRaven
Veteran
Generational talent is a guy who comes along once in a generation - ie one guy every 20 years or so. You guys are discussing elite players. Generational is another level.
100% agree - very few recent players bit that bar for me
The last 10 years or so this is who I’d include as a rough estimate:
Pat Mahomes
Zack Martin
Julio Jones
Tyron Smith
Rob Gronkowski
Aaron Donald
JJ Watt
Earl Thomas
Luke Kuechly
Maybe a couple missed but these guys are who I’d put forth as generational type talents from this decade
QuothTheRaven
Veteran
I'd say it's too early to tell for Mahomes. Guys who *could* turn into generational talents come along at a rate of about a few a year, but very few make it.
The benchmark for this board should be: is this guy as good as Ray Lewis? If not, he's not generational - you gotta save that top tier for the best of the best.
The benchmark for this board should be: is this guy as good as Ray Lewis? If not, he's not generational - you gotta save that top tier for the best of the best.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
Calvin has to be on that list @rossihunter2
A few rooks who could be there too. Saquon and Quenton Nelson come to mind. Derwin could be that.
A few rooks who could be there too. Saquon and Quenton Nelson come to mind. Derwin could be that.
i think generational players are players that we likely wont see for another 10+ yrs or just never again..
Odb - brung sandlot football to the nfl. I argued so hard for this dude coming out of college when people were screaming watkins and those guys..
Saquan- everyone knew he was top 5 back before he entered the nfl.
Watt
Donald
Ab-people probably wouldnt agree with this but we are likely never to see this type of player again. Relies strictly on skill. Not bigger nor faster than any corner he faces yet still manages to do what he does. Work ethic is craZy.
could argue julio, but we just got done watching calvin who is a better version of him. Tbh id even put my guy hopkins as an generational talent over julio. To me, hopkins is a mix of fitz and owens
Odb - brung sandlot football to the nfl. I argued so hard for this dude coming out of college when people were screaming watkins and those guys..
Saquan- everyone knew he was top 5 back before he entered the nfl.
Watt
Donald
Ab-people probably wouldnt agree with this but we are likely never to see this type of player again. Relies strictly on skill. Not bigger nor faster than any corner he faces yet still manages to do what he does. Work ethic is craZy.
could argue julio, but we just got done watching calvin who is a better version of him. Tbh id even put my guy hopkins as an generational talent over julio. To me, hopkins is a mix of fitz and owens
exactly. The player has to be way above elite in my books.
this is a good list and I'd ad Megatron to that list.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
If we’re talking real generational players currently, including guys who may be on a downturn late in their careers, id name..
Tom Brady
Drew brees
Aaron Donald
Adrian Peterson
Guys who have real potential to be that:
Travis kelce
Saquon Barkley
Julio Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Quenton Nelson
Tom Brady
Drew brees
Aaron Donald
Adrian Peterson
Guys who have real potential to be that:
Travis kelce
Saquon Barkley
Julio Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Quenton Nelson
i think its fair to say Calvin and AB probably should be on that list as well - i just missed them lol
what about Odell? Id put him on there before i would julio tbh
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
I’m the one who derailed the topic smh.
Can we please get back on track and talk about Lamar?
Can we please get back on track and talk about Lamar?
QuothTheRaven
Veteran
Lamar Jackson has a unique skill set that could make him a generational talent in the future, but he has a lot to fix to get there.