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Lamar Jackson

Sizzle said:
I’m about damn tired of people saying we’re gonna trade him. Hell we’re involving him in the OC search. We’re going to sign him as soon as somebody on either side comes off their high horse
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You are a savant and a seer my dear friend. You know something his father doesn't yet know. Bravo... I'm rooting for you to be called 'Nostrasizzle' if you are right.
 
UPennChem said:
Look I 100% agree with you. I'm just going to play contrarian for sake of discussion even though I don't really believe this. What if they know they're so far off in terms of money that they know right now they need to trade him.

So what they need to do is 2 things. Not make themselves look desperate and decrease the trade value AND not destroy their reputation by making it look like they didn't try to sign him. Like this could all be a way of making the Ravens look like they live their guys so when they trade him they can say he just didn't play ball there's nothing else we could've done.

Makes Lamar that bad guy.
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I know you're just playing devil's advocate, but that presser made me more confident that isn't going to happen, at least not this year.

Reading between the lines, it seemed like they really want a long term deal, but they're still pretty far apart in terms of money, so they expect Lamar to play on the tag in 23. That way, all he praise they gave Lamar makes sense - he's still going to be their QB next year.

Then, this time next year, every option is still on the table. Maybe the Burrow and Herbert deals help the Ravens by making Watson's guarantees seem more of an outlier? Or maybe those deals break the seal on full guarantees, making Bisciotti more comfortable about following the pattern rather than establishing the precedent? Or maybe they're still far apart, then the tag and trade scenario is still an option.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I know you're just playing devil's advocate, but that presser made me more confident that isn't going to happen, at least not this year.

Reading between the lines, it seemed like they really want a long term deal, but they're still pretty far apart in terms of money, so they expect Lamar to play on the tag in 23. That way, all he praise they gave Lamar makes sense - he's still going to be their QB next year.

Then, this time next year, every option is still on the table. Maybe the Burrow and Herbert deals help the Ravens by making Watson's guarantees seem more of an outlier? Or maybe those deals break the seal on full guarantees, making Bisciotti more comfortable about following the pattern rather than establishing the precedent? Or maybe they're still far apart, then the tag and trade scenario is still an option.
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Yeah that's the third possibility. It's the one I like the least. If he's your guy, lock him up. If he's not, trade him ASAP and start building this team.

I believe them when they say that Harbs doesn't want to rebuild. So fucking sign the man already
 
UPennChem said:
Yeah that's the third possibility. It's the one I like the least. If he's your guy, lock him up. If he's not, trade him ASAP and start building this team.

I believe them when they say that Harbs doesn't want to rebuild. So fucking sign the man already
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One year isn't going to make a difference in rebuilding the team. It is going to take forever to get the right franchise QB if at all. We have all seen this playout for the first 15 yrs of our franchise.
 
UPennChem said:
Yeah that's the third possibility. It's the one I like the least. If he's your guy, lock him up. If he's not, trade him ASAP and start building this team.

I believe them when they say that Harbs doesn't want to rebuild. So fucking sign the man already
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I think they want, to but I honestly think Bisciotti doesn't want to go to owners meetings as the guy who made fully guaranteed QB contracts a thing. ( He probably saw how they all gossiped about Haslam behind his back. )

More seriously, I think the owners are a cartel and they know they're onto a good thing regarding how team-friendly NFL contracts are and Biscuits doesn't want to be the one to break that united front.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I think they want, to but I honestly think Bisciotti doesn't want to go to owners meetings as the guy who made fully guaranteed QB contracts a thing. ( He probably saw how they all gossiped about Haslam behind his back. )

More seriously, I think the owners are a cartel and they know they're onto a good thing regarding how team-friendly NFL contracts are and Biscuits doesn't want to be the one to break that united front.
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I think that's probably right. Lamar can also probably understand that. There is some number that Lamar will take, the question is how far apart are they
 
I think the NFLPA are right to want the guarantees thing to change, but, as a Ravens fan, I wish they'd use negotiations or a strike to change it, rather than trying to use Lamar as their battering ram to break down that door.
 
LSURavenFan said:
I kinda thought he would really benefit from an extra year in Gainesville.
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Absolutely. He played well Vs Utah and Tenn which somehow started whispers of him in the first. I already feel terrible for the jets when they select him
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I think they want, to but I honestly think Bisciotti doesn't want to go to owners meetings as the guy who made fully guaranteed QB contracts a thing. ( He probably saw how they all gossiped about Haslam behind his back. )

More seriously, I think the owners are a cartel and they know they're onto a good thing regarding how team-friendly NFL contracts are and Biscuits doesn't want to be the one to break that united front.
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If Bisciotti really won’t make a decision because he’s worried about how his owner buddies will see him, then he needs to step the fuck down lmao
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I know you're just playing devil's advocate, but that presser made me more confident that isn't going to happen, at least not this year.

Reading between the lines, it seemed like they really want a long term deal, but they're still pretty far apart in terms of money, so they expect Lamar to play on the tag in 23. That way, all he praise they gave Lamar makes sense - he's still going to be their QB next year.

Then, this time next year, every option is still on the table. Maybe the Burrow and Herbert deals help the Ravens by making Watson's guarantees seem more of an outlier? Or maybe those deals break the seal on full guarantees, making Bisciotti more comfortable about following the pattern rather than establishing the precedent? Or maybe they're still far apart, then the tag and trade scenario is still an option.
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I'd be shocked if the Ravens pay Lamar the franchize tag. He's not getting a 100% guaranteed contract and neither are Burrow and Herbert and who knows the Bengals and Chargers may play the string out just like the Ravens. They're either paying or trading.
 
rossihunter2 said:
They had a chance at the last CBA but bottled it when covid began
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If they guarantee contracts that's great for the players and I'm all for it but and it's a big one there has to be circumstances where career injuries and retirements get wiped off the cap which to me benefits the players again..........and us. :rock:. But the stickler of course is the owners are not paying for production with the career ending which could be turned into more stretched out payments or a percentage to alleviate. It also comes down to healthcare. The NFLPA needs better representation.
 
Willbacker said:
I'd be shocked if the Ravens pay Lamar the franchize tag. He's not getting a 100% guaranteed contract and neither are Burrow and Herbert and who knows the Bengals and Chargers may play the string out just like the Ravens. They're either paying or trading.
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I thought DeCosta seemed like he was expecting Lamar to play on the tag this year, but we're all trying to read between the lines here, so who knows?

If the NFLPA really wants to make fully guaranteed deals the new normal, they should persuade Burrow and Herbert to hold out for them too, rather than leaving Lamar out on his own. If those two don't go for it, they should advise Lamar to get the best deal he can and move on.

Unions should be about collective action rather than using one guy as the canary in the coalmine.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I thought DeCosta seemed like he was expecting Lamar to play on the tag this year, but we're all trying to read between the lines here, so who knows?

If the NFLPA really wants to make fully guaranteed deals the new normal, they should persuade Burrow and Herbert to hold out for them too, rather than leaving Lamar out on his own. If those two don't go for it, they should advise Lamar to get the best deal he can and move on.

Unions should be about collective action rather than using one guy as the canary in the coalmine.
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That would mean that we couldn't really make any big moves to help the offense and instead have to HIT on draft picks. Waiting on Burrow could mean waiting another 2 years
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I thought DeCosta seemed like he was expecting Lamar to play on the tag this year, but we're all trying to read between the lines here, so who knows?

If the NFLPA really wants to make fully guaranteed deals the new normal, they should persuade Burrow and Herbert to hold out for them too, rather than leaving Lamar out on his own. If those two don't go for it, they should advise Lamar to get the best deal he can and move on.

Unions should be about collective action rather than using one guy as the canary in the coalmine.
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If there is one thing we've learned about pressers is that the truth is not always presented.
 
UPennChem said:
Yeah that's the third possibility. It's the one I like the least. If he's your guy, lock him up. If he's not, trade him ASAP and start building this team.

I believe them when they say that Harbs doesn't want to rebuild. So fucking sign the man already
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if Lamar plays on the franchise tag we won't be able to do anything in free agency
 
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