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Lamar Jackson

I saw that Vick said he was going to go out and help Lamar this summer. I bet you, unlike Joe, Lamar will work his ass off even when not with the team. I think going forward, as in next year, there should be no reason for Joe Flacco to be on this team. With that being said if we do make the playoffs, and Joe is healthy, I want him as my quarterback. And no it has nothing to do with January Joe blah blah blah because that guy literally hasn't existed in years. I just think this year, Joe gives us our best chance to win. And that is partly because of Lamar lol. I really think that after Lamar destroys Oakland, and teams fear him, using him as a secondary option at quarterback, will be even more deadly than it is right now.
 
Grim said:
I personally didn’t like the censorship of the old forum but man this place gets outright brutal at times. So much passive aggressive shots and direct slaps being thrown around here laced with sarcasm it’s almost painful to read. You guys really need to learn to chill and that this is a forum on the Internet. No issue with people getting fired up for their guys or defending their points but I feel like some of you guys are really just a bunch of dicks and assholes. It’s just not necessary.
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We also all root for the same team
 
OriolesMagicPlease said:
Absolutely not. I'm saying you pay the guys and hope for the best. Sometimes it doesn't work out, that is the nature of the business. As much as the price tag annoys you, does it bother you when other players on the team don't live up to their price tag as well? So how do you hold players accountable when they don't live up to the money?

And serious question for you. I have no idea what line of work you are in, but let's say you earned a big fat raise and promotion for coming up huge on a big time project, like the biggest project your company ever worked on. But then next few projects you struggled on and off for whatever reason, some your fault, some your co-workers' fault, some your bosses' fault. Would you give back your money? Would you quit?
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agree look at chris davis now
 
joe earned his conract but the extension definitely not. i still like joe and feel he has good games left in him. there are a couple of contracts that should be dumped if possible by next season (b.williams, j. smith, e. weddle, t. jefferson, m. crabtree, flacco if a trading partner is found and please do not overpay for mosley because he is a liability in coverage). HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!
 
The Greek said:
joe earned his conract but the extension definitely not. i still like joe and feel he has good games left in him. there are a couple of contracts that should be dumped if possible by next season (b.williams, j. smith, e. weddle, t. jefferson, m. crabtree, flacco if a trading partner is found and please do not overpay for mosley because he is a liability in coverage). HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!
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I’d like to keep Crabtree and maybe even B. Williams even with his contract. If we are dumping his contract, I’d wait until the end of 2019, especially since we will have plenty of cap space this offseason. Agree, we need to find trading partners for most of these players.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
 
RavensMania said:
I’d like to keep Crabtree and maybe even B. Williams even with his contract. If we are dumping his contract, I’d wait until the end of 2019, especially since we will have plenty of cap space this offseason. Agree, we need to find trading partners for most of these players.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
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Dont forget we are prolly giving Mosely 60mill
 
rossihunter2 said:
yes but those 4 games are not ignorable in terms of market values - that was how much he was worth so that was how much he got paid - blame the salary cap, blame the market, blame the overpowered nature of the qb position in american football or whatever - but it's not joe's fault that that was his market value because of those 4 games

the options at the time were not threefold where there was a middle option to pay him less - no the options were purely pay him that much or let him go... no sane mind at the time was letting joe go

you can argue about the extension he got but not the initial contract
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Nobody blames flacco for getting as much money as he could.
Every person would have done the same.

The blame comes for him not living up to his contract.

Just like people are blaming Williams and Jimmy for not playing up to their contracts.
Just like Jefferson is getting blamed and so on.

Its flacco fault that after getting paid not putting in the work required to fix his issues and live up to his contract.
His shortcommings have been repeated to death already and all of those are things he could have work on to improve.

No different then Lamar being ecpected to work on improving certain aspects of his game.
The expectations are only going to increase if he becomes the next QB we will reward a big contract.

Anytime a players get paid he is expected to produce at least the same based on what he got paid or more.
 
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Tru11 said:
Nobody blames flacco for getting as much money as he could.
Every person would have done the same.

The blame comes for him not living up to his contract.

Just like people are blaiming Williams and Jimmy for not playing up to their contracts.
Just like Jefferson is getting blamed and so on.

Its flacco fault that after getting paid not putting in the work required to fix his issues and live up to his contract.
His shortcommings have been repeated to death already and all of those are things he could have work on to improve.

No different then Lamar being ecpected to work on improving certain aspects of his came.
The expectations are only going to increase if he becomes the next QB we will reward a big contract.

Anytime a players get paid he is expected to produce at least the same based on what he got paid or more.
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And the worst thing about Joe is that he hasn't been stagnant, he actually regressed. Mentally, in particular - he never used to get rattled by bad plays, hits, tackles - now it's a regular occurrence.
 
usmccharles said:
Dont forget we are prolly giving Mosely 60mill
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I just saw Mosley play his best game since pre-injury 2016, so I’m not saying this out of frustration and being irrational, I’m saying this even after seeing good play, Mosley should not be brought back.

If he costs 60mil, it’s too much. He’s very good when healthy, but not elite, and when injured which he usually is. He’s slightly above average and a liability in coverage,and he seems to play more injured than healthy lately. Bad bad bad idea, the growing pains could be bad but it’s better than crushing our cap space with another bad contract for a player who’s at real risk
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I just saw Mosley play his best game since pre-injury 2016, so I’m not saying this out of frustration and being irrational, I’m saying this even after seeing good play, Mosley should not be brought back.

If he costs 60mil, it’s too much. He’s very good when healthy, but not elite, and when injured which he usually is. He’s slightly above average and a liability in coverage,and he seems to play more injured than healthy lately. Bad bad bad idea, the growing pains could be bad but it’s better than crushing our cap space with another bad contract for a player who’s at real risk
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Mosley is an integral part of our defense, but we can't another one of those right player wrong price contracts
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I just saw Mosley play his best game since pre-injury 2016, so I’m not saying this out of frustration and being irrational, I’m saying this even after seeing good play, Mosley should not be brought back.

If he costs 60mil, it’s too much. He’s very good when healthy, but not elite, and when injured which he usually is. He’s slightly above average and a liability in coverage,and he seems to play more injured than healthy lately. Bad bad bad idea, the growing pains could be bad but it’s better than crushing our cap space with another bad contract for a player who’s at real risk
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I agree with you, but knowing our FO and how they over value defense i think they do sign him. The 5 @60 is just my guess.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/c.j.-mosley-14426/market-value/
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I just saw Mosley play his best game since pre-injury 2016, so I’m not saying this out of frustration and being irrational, I’m saying this even after seeing good play, Mosley should not be brought back.

If he costs 60mil, it’s too much. He’s very good when healthy, but not elite, and when injured which he usually is. He’s slightly above average and a liability in coverage,and he seems to play more injured than healthy lately. Bad bad bad idea, the growing pains could be bad but it’s better than crushing our cap space with another bad contract for a player who’s at real risk
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I'm in a minority on CJ, would like if he got paid and stayed a Raven.
 
usmccharles said:
I agree with you, but knowing our FO and how they over value defense i think they do sign him. The 5 @60 is just my guess.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/c.j.-mosley-14426/market-value/
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allblackraven said:
I'm in a minority on CJ, would like if he got paid and stayed a Raven.
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me too - and the quicker we do it the better i think - luke kuechly likely has to do an extension this offseason or else he'll carry a cap hit next year of 17mill - whoever's contract gets done first will be cheaper most likely

alternatively the panthers might just restructure and push some of that 17m to his last 3 years but then they'll be expensive too
 
Tru11 said:
Nobody blames flacco for getting as much money as he could.
Every person would have done the same.

The blame comes for him not living up to his contract.

Just like people are blaming Williams and Jimmy for not playing up to their contracts.
Just like Jefferson is getting blamed and so on.

Its flacco fault that after getting paid not putting in the work required to fix his issues and live up to his contract.
His shortcommings have been repeated to death already and all of those are things he could have work on to improve.

No different then Lamar being ecpected to work on improving certain aspects of his game.
The expectations are only going to increase if he becomes the next QB we will reward a big contract.

Anytime a players get paid he is expected to produce at least the same based on what he got paid or more.
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Not only repeated to death but one excuse after another has been for his regression over the past few seasons.

allblackraven said:
And the worst thing about Joe is that he hasn't been stagnant, he actually regressed. Mentally, in particular - he never used to get rattled by bad plays, hits, tackles - now it's a regular occurrence.
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He has...
 
allblackraven said:
I'm in a minority on CJ, would like if he got paid and stayed a Raven.
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I would hate seeing him playing for another team, when he’s healthy he really is a great player, he’s no kuechly or Wagner but he’s at the top of the tier 2 LBs, however I just don’t see a big contract ending well for us, he’s one of the smartest players in the league but he’s not the rangiest or most athletic, and tbh I’m not sure he’s a great fit for what we’re doing now, we like to blitz the middle a lot and Mosley is only good on delays and improv blitzes, he’s not good on designed blitzes off the snap and has done nothing but leave a soft spot consistently when he’s blitzed, in man coverage even when fully healthy he’s a liability at best, and playing injured his range in zone drops is inconsistent and seems to give up plays more than you’d like.

If Mosley was consistently healthy, and was used as a full time Tampa 2 style zone dropper then he would be much more impactful, that’s more of a wink problem than a Mosley problem, but the health is all on Mosley. The ravens will get burned yet again by giving a big deal to a guy who is almost guaranteed to be injured at some point every year.
 
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