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Lamar Jackson

ravenslord said:
I don't understand why the run game is so much better with Lamar than Joe. Is it because they have to account for Lamar as a runner?

Or is it something more. Joe has never been good at selling ball fakes and Lamar can use his legs to help him make additional passing progressions.

You look at Joe on the sidelines and he knows he's gone.

I'll always appreciate him for the Super Bowl Win.
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When lamar runs the zone read, he keys in on the linebacker opposite the side the RB is headed, if the LB is drawn inside by the run then lamar keeps and takes advantage and burns toward the edge, if the LB contains or crashes the edge then the rb has an advantage of a defender being taken away from the box and basically gives us a one man advantage.

And in the zone read, you typically want a power back because the rb is usually gonna be attacking the A/B gap, the option forces edge commitment opening up the interior, which is where Gus excels, and he’s been able to hit holes fast and hard and by the time the LBs catch on and key in on Gus it’s too late because he’s too powerful for arm tackles.

It’s just a perfect storm honestly and none of this works without the threat of lamar to the edge. Even the threat of joe throwing deep can’t clear out a box quite like lamar can
 
ravenslord said:
Lamar gets very unhappy when he doesn't do well or throws a pick.

He seems very determined to get better and I like his attitude.
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And it’s obvious he is doing the work to get better. Just look at how much he has changed his mechanics since he was drafted.
 
Reality check. The Ravens offensive performance against the Raiders was the second worst compared to the Raiders other opponents. Without the scores on Defense and special teams, the Ravens would have had their hands full with one of the worst Defenses in the league.
One thing that the Ravens did well, was the second half adjustment to run more and throw less. It ate up clock, and they won time of possession, keeping the Raiders offense off the field.
Unfortunately, this is not sustainable long term with keeping Lamar healthy.
 
I'll be so livid if Flacco starts against Atlanta. I can’t wait till that bum and his butt-buddy Harbaugh are out of town.
 
Crabcruncher said:
Reality check. The Ravens offensive performance against the Raiders was the second worst compared to the Raiders other opponents. Without the scores on Defense and special teams, the Ravens would have had their hands full with one of the worst Defenses in the league.
One thing that the Ravens did well, was the second half adjustment to run more and throw less. It ate up clock, and they won time of possession, keeping the Raiders offense off the field.
Unfortunately, this is not sustainable long term with keeping Lamar healthy.
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Reality check. That’s all on Marty. Lamar took wayyyyy less hits yesterday. He just cramped up. Flacco doesn’t open up the offense like Lamar does.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
When lamar runs the zone read, he keys in on the linebacker opposite the side the RB is headed, if the LB is drawn inside by the run then lamar keeps and takes advantage and burns toward the edge, if the LB contains or crashes the edge then the rb has an advantage of a defender being taken away from the box and basically gives us a one man advantage.

And in the zone read, you typically want a power back because the rb is usually gonna be attacking the A/B gap, the option forces edge commitment opening up the interior, which is where Gus excels, and he’s been able to hit holes fast and hard and by the time the LBs catch on and key in on Gus it’s too late because he’s too powerful for arm tackles.

It’s just a perfect storm honestly and none of this works without the threat of lamar to the edge. Even the threat of joe throwing deep can’t clear out a box quite like lamar can
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He is also doing remarkable job of holding the ball pre run/handoff, so D is likely to react late - takes that extra bit of time (sometimes more than a bit) to figure out who has the damn ball.
 
allblackraven said:
He is also doing remarkable job of holding the ball pre run/handoff, so D is likely to react late - takes that extra bit of time (sometimes more than a bit) to figure out who has the damn ball.
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Oh yeah, that’s a bonus, I’m just breaking down what makes a zone read so effective compared to a regular run game, it would be effective anyway but lamars gift with faking that hand off makes it that much better. It won’t always help the RB but that extra second holding up the key LB could buy him the edge almost every time. With that great fake he could take the edge on ANY snap unless the key LB commits to the edge regardless of his read, and if that’s happening than you’re completely eliminating a box defender and adding a blocker or 2 because any TE/OT that may be on the backside can just get to the second level.
 
Crabcruncher said:
Reality check. The Ravens offensive performance against the Raiders was the second worst compared to the Raiders other opponents. Without the scores on Defense and special teams, the Ravens would have had their hands full with one of the worst Defenses in the league.
One thing that the Ravens did well, was the second half adjustment to run more and throw less. It ate up clock, and they won time of possession, keeping the Raiders offense off the field.
Unfortunately, this is not sustainable long term with keeping Lamar healthy.
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Lamar was basically untouched this game.

Marty called a shit game the first half and the halftime adjustment should’ve never been needed because it should’ve been the gameplan from the start.

Clock control and heavy running will always lag behind high flying air attacks statistically, but for the few teams who can move the ball consistently on the ground, the real numbers will be seen in the win column, not the total yardage. In today’s nfl, if you’re able to field a top defense while keeping the bombs away offenses on the sideline, you’ll upset some teams and win a lot of games.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Lamar was basically untouched this game.

Marty called a shit game the first half and the halftime adjustment should’ve never been needed because it should’ve been the gameplan from the start.

Clock control and heavy running will always lag behind high flying air attacks statistically, but for the few teams who can move the ball consistently on the ground, the real numbers will be seen in the win column, not the total yardage. In today’s nfl, if you’re able to field a top defense while keeping the bombs away offenses on the sideline, you’ll upset some teams and win a lot of games.
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Especially in today's version of the NFL, which resembles college football more and more.
Saban made a dynasty of Alabama doing exactly that, should transfer nicely.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Lamar was basically untouched this game.

Marty called a shit game the first half and the halftime adjustment should’ve never been needed because it should’ve been the gameplan from the start.

Clock control and heavy running will always lag behind high flying air attacks statistically, but for the few teams who can move the ball consistently on the ground, the real numbers will be seen in the win column, not the total yardage. In today’s nfl, if you’re able to field a top defense while keeping the bombs away offenses on the sideline, you’ll upset some teams and win a lot of games.
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While exaggerating a bit his point is valid. The Raiders defense ranks near the bottom giving up about 30 points a game, our offense scored 17.
 
Tank said:
While exaggerating a bit his point is valid. The Raiders defense ranks near the bottom giving up about 30 points a game, our offense scored 17.
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Well 2 possessions were taken from our offense because our D and ST scored, a rookie mistake by mark Andrews to turn his head on a mad dash to the endzone prevented a TD. And regardless the point still stands, you don’t need high flying offense to win if you are controlling the clock and playing good defense.

His comment only holds water when you are playing shit defense and then the clock control means nothing. If you have a top defense, keeping it fresh and not expending your whole playbook is crucial.
 
RavensMania said:
And it’s obvious he is doing the work to get better. Just look at how much he has changed his mechanics since he was drafted.
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look at how much his poise and pocket movement improved just from the bengals game to the raiders game...
lamar is a sponge who seems to intuitively and quickly understand things and how to change
 
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JoeyFlex5 said:
Well 2 possessions were taken from our offense because our D and ST scored, a rookie mistake by mark Andrews to turn his head on a mad dash to the endzone prevented a TD. And regardless the point still stands, you don’t need high flying offense to win if you are controlling the clock and playing good defense.

His comment only holds water when you are playing shit defense and then the clock control means nothing. If you have a top defense, keeping it fresh and not expending your whole playbook is crucial.
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If you were to read the game thread Ravens defense is shit and is going to have 50 hing on them by Falcons (an actual prediction).
 
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