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Lamar Jackson

I get that The Ravens probably should have given Lamar Jackson more help but honestly i'm not sure if free agency was really the answer. Most of the free agent receivers that was signed have either been hurt alot or not living up to expectations. Next year free agency market at wide receiver looks to bad as well. Evening looking at the receivers that was traded this year for either second or third round pick looks bad cause none of those receivers have been as productive as expected at least not yet.
 
Sandtown said:
I get that The Ravens probably should have given Lamar Jackson more help but honestly i'm not sure if free agency was really the answer. Most of the free agent receivers that was signed have either been hurt alot or not living up to expectations. Next year free agency market at wide receiver looks to bad as well. Evening looking at the receivers that was traded this year for either second or third round pick looks bad cause none of those receivers have been as productive as expected at least not yet.
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And to those who haven't seen it yet.....

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Sandtown said:
I get that The Ravens probably should have given Lamar Jackson more help but honestly i'm not sure if free agency was really the answer. Most of the free agent receivers that was signed have either been hurt alot or not living up to expectations. Next year free agency market at wide receiver looks to bad as well. Evening looking at the receivers that was traded this year for either second or third round pick looks bad cause none of those receivers have been as productive as expected at least not yet.
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FA basically hasn't been a good place to upgrade your WR room materially in at least 5-6 years now. The really good one's get extended, and the great one's get traded.

When people talk about adding WRs outside the draft, they're talking about trading for them, i.e. draft picks + copious amounts of $. And yes, this FO has been extremely hesitant to do that. And the more expensive Lamar becomes, the less likely I think that is to happen to begin with.
 
JO_75 said:
I said before our front office lives in the stone age, we keep trying the same thing that worked 20 years ago. Our front office needs to evolve and get with the current NFL.
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I think DeCosta's background has been too Ravens-centric. He basically came to Baltimore from college and if you look at his positional obsessions it's not hard to see how the Raven has leaked into his brain.

He saw a team built around great ILB and Safety play and he keeps chasing them to the detriment of other, probably more important, positions.

His first big FA move was giving Earl Thomas double what any other team was offering. Then he made Marcus Williams his big free agent move this year and also used the highest draft pick he's ever had on another Safety.

He overspent a first round pick on Patrick Queen and then traded a second for another ILB who will be looking to get paid about $20M per in a few weeks in Roquan.

He's chasing another Ray and Ed.

You can also see the Ravens history in his treatment of pass rushers. The Ravens have never kept OLBs around unless they were named Terrell Suggs. Zadarius Smith isn't, so he and Ozzie let him leave, before Eric lowballed him and let him leave again. Ditto for Matt Judon. Both decisions are looking like mistakes when you see how they're performing elsewhere.

The Ravens never cared much about WRs and DeCosta has basically done the bare minimum at the position, when you consider how bare the position was when he took over, including trading one for an interior O Lineman from Iowa. (Chasing past ravens greats again?)
 
rmcjacket23 said:
FA basically hasn't been a good place to upgrade your WR room materially in at least 5-6 years now. The really good one's get extended, and the great one's get traded.

When people talk about adding WRs outside the draft, they're talking about trading for them, i.e. draft picks + copious amounts of $. And yes, this FO has been extremely hesitant to do that. And the more expensive Lamar becomes, the less likely I think that is to happen to begin with.
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WR has to be priority #1 in the draft this year with CB close behind. If we take one position in the first, I'd like to double dip at the other in rounds 3 & 4.
 
UPennChem said:
So the Lamar injury thing is interesting. There will be the group of Lamar haters that will say you see he can't stay healthy. And they'll be coming from a place of ignorance and making a lazy and incorrect argument about him being a running QB.
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So Lamar has played in 62 of 69 possible starts. Roughly 90% and I believe one of those missed starts was a rest in the final week of 2019, another that horrid COVID debacle vs Pitt. That's pretty great and its hard to see a legitimate argument that he cant stay healthy or is injury prone.

Is there a pattern forming though? Two straight years of Lamar missing multiple games late in the season. Our hope is this instance last no more than 1-3 weeks. That's significant . The injury prone label is relative, but if this happens again next year, its fair to start having that discussion?
UPennChem said:
Lamar has always gotten hurt (significantly hurt) from getting sacked in the pocket. Two years in a row now. And it's the case that he even bulked up considerably this offseason. Lamar has also over theast 2 years been carrying a lot more hip and quad and foot etc nicks even if they didn't keep him out of games.

Should management fear that his availability going forward is going to steadily decline? Are the general number of hits catching up with him? Or were these two kinda freak outcomes that sometimes happen to anyone when you get rocked like that?
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OURavensFan said:
He didn’t get hurt running this or last year though
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I think we also see the flip side of the lazy argument that his injuries have occurred in the pocket, therefor the hits he takes outside of it are irrelevant to the injury conversation. Its just not true, each of those hits takes a toll on any player putting them at greater and greater risk of injury. The organization has to view any of it players as a depreciating asset as far as the on field product. I don't think anyone on this board expects Lamar to get significantly better than he is now right? 1. He's pretty friking good already so its tough to see a huge jump 2. his greatest asset is his athletic abilities and we all know father time is undefeated when it comes to those gifts.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
WR has to be priority #1 in the draft this year with CB close behind. If we take one position in the first, I'd like to double dip at the other in rounds 3 & 4.
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I suspect WR, DB, and RB will be the top three priorities in the offseason, depending on what shakes out and who gets cut. Honestly can't see that changing much, unless they decide to like gut the Oline for some reason. Powers could walk in FA, and Moses is probably 50/50 to return. Even then, you've still got guys like Mekari, Cleveland, etc. on the roster, and you can probably find a starting-caliber Guard in the mid rounds.

The biggest "problem" I'd say is the lack of a 2nd round pick. There's a decent contingent of the "analytics" crowd that studies draft strategy that basically suggests top 65-70 is the sweet spot for drafting a WR, i.e. if you want a really good one, you've gotta get one in the first two rounds. I've not reviewed this to see if its true, but there's a prevailing thought in the draft industry that the WR talent, in most drafts, falls off considerably. I'd argue that's probably true of most positions, but WR seems to be especially the case.

As such, that would pigeon-hole the Ravens into adding a WR in the first, which I don't think they'll ever do that to themselves. Its possible they end up taking one there, but I don't think they'll ever go into the draft thinking they have to do that.

Moreover, in my opinion, if you want a truly great Corner, I think round 1 is the place to be for that. I think its a stretch to think they'll get a solid Corner on late day 2 or day 3, and especially if you need them to play early.

I hope to be proven wrong, but I have a suspicion that 2023 might be a "rough year" for our Cornerback group.
 
So Spencer Schultz reported Lamar left the stadium before the game was over and it was not injury related. He is one of the few guys that doesn’t spew the Reddit non sense and is usually pretty accurate. If this is true it’s definitely concerning and just adds fuel to the fire that Lamar is fed up. Feels more and more like his time in Purple is done
 
BoredMarine13 said:
So Spencer Schultz reported Lamar left the stadium before the game was over and it was not injury related. He is one of the few guys that doesn’t spew the Reddit non sense and is usually pretty accurate. If this is true it’s definitely concerning and just adds fuel to the fire that Lamar is fed up. Feels more and more like his time in Purple is done
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At worst, he gets tagged next season. At best, we finally put the saga to rest and he gets his extension.
 
Dom McRaven said:
At worst, he gets tagged next season. At best, we finally put the saga to rest and he gets his extension.
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Things would really have to get out of control for Lamar not to be retained on the tag for atleast one year. He doesn’t seem like the hold out type either. Idk maybe the Ravens lower offer really did piss him off though.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
So Spencer Schultz reported Lamar left the stadium before the game was over and it was not injury related. He is one of the few guys that doesn’t spew the Reddit non sense and is usually pretty accurate. If this is true it’s definitely concerning and just adds fuel to the fire that Lamar is fed up. Feels more and more like his time in Purple is done
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Jackson is a competitive guy and he takes things seriously maybe more than he should. Honestly if you was in his shoes knowing he isn't ideally having the season he probably expected after putting in all the work that he put in during he offseason to only get hurt again that will cause him to miss a game or so like last year would you stay around to watch the game to face that you're watching a game you can't play in or go home to relax your mind?
 
Sandtown said:
Jackson is a competitive guy and he takes things seriously maybe more than he should. Honestly if you was in his shoes knowing he isn't ideally having the season he probably expected after putting in all the work that he put in during he offseason to only get hurt again that will cause him to miss a game or so like last year would you stay around to watch the game to face that you're watching a game you can't play in or go home to relax your mind?
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Yes. That’s what leaders do. The people around you are priority.

Again this is the rumor mill and I’ve yet to find someone else confirm it. Was passed on the locked on podcast
 
BoredMarine13 said:
So Spencer Schultz reported Lamar left the stadium before the game was over and it was not injury related. He is one of the few guys that doesn’t spew the Reddit non sense and is usually pretty accurate. If this is true it’s definitely concerning and just adds fuel to the fire that Lamar is fed up. Feels more and more like his time in Purple is done
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1. Can you provide the quote? I follow on Twitter, and I've not seen anything even remotely from him that suggests that.
2. I don't know how anybody would be able to identify whether an injured player left the stadium early for a non-injury reason. That doesn't make any sense.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
1. Can you provide the quote? I follow on Twitter, and I've not seen anything even remotely from him that suggests that.
2. I don't know how anybody would be able to identify whether an injured player left the stadium early for a non-injury reason. That doesn't make any sense.
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He said it on the locked on podcast. I started scrolling through his Twitter as well and found nothing. It struck me as off becuase that kind of stuff is not his normal MO
 
BoredMarine13 said:
He said it on the locked on podcast. I started scrolling through his Twitter as well and found nothing. It struck me as off becuase that kind of stuff is not his normal MO
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Yeah I'm not buying it. That's not really information people would even have or ask about. If Lamar is leaving the facility before the game is over, after coming out for injury, everybody pretty much knows why.
 
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