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Lamar Jackson

BoredMarine13 said:
Yea like it or not Lamar is currently on the same story arc as Dan Marino, SteveMcNair, McNabb, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly ,Phillip Rivers etc etc …. Just really talented guys that couldn’t get over the hump…. Positive news is he’s got time and he’s in a well run organization. End of the day though none of the stats or MVPs really matter to the outside world without a SB. I think Ravens fans will have a different perspective , but not the rest of the league.
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Somebody called him the russell westbrook of the nfl……………
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Yea like it or not Lamar is currently on the same story arc as Dan Marino, SteveMcNair, McNabb, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly ,Phillip Rivers etc etc …. Just really talented guys that couldn’t get over the hump…. Positive news is he’s got time and he’s in a well run organization. End of the day though none of the stats or MVPs really matter to the outside world without a SB. I think Ravens fans will have a different perspective , but not the rest of the league.
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I'd gladly have him not be an MVP, but be part of a SB win. I'll take that every day and twice on Sundays.

I still have a hard time explaining away - to myself - the utter OFF collapses that occur in big games. I don't know the source of it - Lamar, coaching, or the other team being more prepared, but something has to give for Lamar to be perceived differently by anyone outside of Baltimore, for sure. And that perspective grows inch by inch with Ravens fans, I think, with every season we don't win it all.
 
OURavensFan said:


This comment section, this is why it’s so painful we didn’t win it all. I know everyone has haters but it’s next fucking level with Lamar. Yea outrage porn but idc, I wanted to trigger these assholes and now they just double down
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Our boy is big ticket. Not talking about him brings ratings down.

Pat, Jackson, and Dak (Cowboys) are the QBs you talk about when you have nothing else to talk about.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
I'd gladly have him not be an MVP, but be part of a SB win. I'll take that every day and twice on Sundays.

I still have a hard time explaining away - to myself - the utter OFF collapses that occur in big games. I don't know the source of it - Lamar, coaching, or the other team being more prepared, but something has to give for Lamar to be perceived differently by anyone outside of Baltimore, for sure. And that perspective grows inch by inch with Ravens fans, I think, with every season we don't win it all.
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I dont disagree with the MVP thoughts , but I hate the championship or bust mentality so many have with sports these days. My favorite team failing to win the title doesnt negate the teams accomplishments or the joy it brought me in a given year.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
I dont disagree with the MVP thoughts , but I hate the championship or bust mentality so many have with sports these days. My favorite team failing to win the title doesnt negate the teams accomplishments or the joy it brought me in a given year.
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It does when they fail year after year after year for a decade or 2 when they had legitimate opportunities.

If you're the lions of the last 2 decades that's one thing. You're incompetent and perenially bad. But if you're us, where we should really have competed for like 3 superbowls in just the last 10 years and you've haven't even made it to 1, it's like what's going on?

There's really no good reason we aren't more successful. And that doesn't even mean won superbowls. But even making superbowls and making AFC championship in years we didn't.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
I dont disagree with the MVP thoughts , but I hate the championship or bust mentality so many have with sports these days. My favorite team failing to win the title doesnt negate the teams accomplishments or the joy it brought me in a given year.
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Well, we can't win every year, but we've been pretty close to getting to the last dance for most of the time Lamar has been here - at least when he's healthy. But let's be real too: Championships are everything.
 
UPennChem said:
It does when they fail year after year after year for a decade or 2 when they had legitimate opportunities.

If you're the lions of the last 2 decades that's one thing. You're incompetent and perenially bad. But if you're us, where we should really have competed for like 3 superbowls in just the last 10 years and you've haven't even made it to 1, it's like what's going on?

There's really no good reason we aren't more successful. And that doesn't even mean won superbowls. But even making superbowls and making AFC championship in years we didn't.
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Well emotionally I agree with you but looking at it from a numbers standpoint always helps calm me down at seasons end. With 32 teams each team has a baseline 3% chance of winning. Lots of factors , random or controlled, raise or lower that but it helps put things into perspective…. Also that loss to the Chiefs didn’t take away the fun you had watching the boys drop 52 on the dolphins or stomp the 49ers on MNF. My second favorite season to date is still one of the most painful in 2008….
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Well emotionally I agree with you but looking at it from a numbers standpoint always helps calm me down at seasons end. With 32 teams each team has a baseline 3% chance of winning. Lots of factors , random or controlled, raise or lower that but it helps put things into perspective…. Also that loss to the Chiefs didn’t take away the fun you had watching the boys drop 52 on the dolphins or stomp the 49ers on MNF. My second favorite season to date is still one of the most painful in 2008….
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For sure that's a reasonable take. My only rebuttal is although a blind probability is 3%, obviously not all teams are created equal.

The point about the dolphins or 49ers is spot on.
 
UPennChem said:
It does when they fail year after year after year for a decade or 2 when they had legitimate opportunities.

If you're the lions of the last 2 decades that's one thing. You're incompetent and perenially bad. But if you're us, where we should really have competed for like 3 superbowls in just the last 10 years and you've haven't even made it to 1, it's like what's going on?

There's really no good reason we aren't more successful. And that doesn't even mean won superbowls. But even making superbowls and making AFC championship in years we didn't.
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This! If you're good you're expected to win. When you don't you're questioned.

Regarding teams like Dan Marino's Dolphins, I might be wrong, but I don't remember them ever being "the team to beat." Unlike us several times since Lamar has been the starter. To me, that's different about some of those great QB's that never won a SB. McNabb is more similar to our Lamar experience. For some reason, they could not overcome the NFCC, until they did and then they still faced a Pats team that was dynastic. That happens. Hitting a speed bump and slowing to a crawl unable to find the gas pedal when in the Playoffs does not engender hope. Again, whether its the qb, the coaching, the other team - it's just frustrating. If you're as good as you say, you win. If you don't, you're poseurs.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Well emotionally I agree with you but looking at it from a numbers standpoint always helps calm me down at seasons end. With 32 teams each team has a baseline 3% chance of winning. Lots of factors , random or controlled, raise or lower that but it helps put things into perspective…. Also that loss to the Chiefs didn’t take away the fun you had watching the boys drop 52 on the dolphins or stomp the 49ers on MNF. My second favorite season to date is still one of the most painful in 2008….
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08? That was just awesome seeing our first franchise qb make it to the conference championship, beat the 1 seed, and a shit ton of turnovers.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
08? That was just awesome seeing our first franchise qb make it to the conference championship, beat the 1 seed, and a shit ton of turnovers.
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Loved 08 , ton of fun and really wild moments with Ed…. But a 3 game sweep by Steelers was brutal back when the rivalry really mattered
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Yea like it or not Lamar is currently on the same story arc as Dan Marino, SteveMcNair, McNabb, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly ,Phillip Rivers etc etc …. Just really talented guys that couldn’t get over the hump…. Positive news is he’s got time and he’s in a well run organization. End of the day though none of the stats or MVPs really matter to the outside world without a SB. I think Ravens fans will have a different perspective , but not the rest of the league.
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It’s just funny to me when Flacco had a 10-4 playoff record and Super Bowl MVP he still wasn’t sucked off the way some other current QBs are because that was small sample size. Now MVPs don’t mean anything anymore
 
OURavensFan said:
It’s just funny to me when Flacco had a 10-4 playoff record and Super Bowl MVP he still wasn’t sucked off the way some other current QBs are because that was small sample size. Now MVPs don’t mean anything anymore
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Mvps dont mean anything when you not winning the big games.. its cool at first but once you starting winning multiple mvps yet keep getting bounced in playoffs every year with a 2-6 record, it makes you look bad
 
Deebo813 said:
Mvps dont mean anything when you not winning the big games.. its cool at first but once you starting winning multiple mvps yet keep getting bounced in playoffs every year with a 2-6 record, it makes you look bad
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I don't think it goes as far as winning the big games, but more so performing up to and beyond your regular season form. And winners generally play their best in the most meaningful games.
 
Tank said:
winners generally play their best in the most meaningful games.
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Which is super frustrating because Lamar does play well in big games during the regular season, just can’t figure it out during the playoffs.
 
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